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To: bkaycee
Certainly the Trinity can be wholly found in scripture and was.

Subordinationist writings completely dominate Scripture in the NT and Trinitarian prose is largely absent. Look at the Synoptic Gospels and Paul's writings, especially.

One of the reasons for Nicea was to button down the Trinitarian formula. A consequence was that Origen's writings were declared heretical by the Council and he was turfed out in disgrace. And he was one of the great Doctors of the Church.

The Marian nonesense is totally absent from the original church writings for HUDNREDS OF YEARS.

When was the Protoevangelium of James written? Hint: not hundreds of years later. The first prayer that we have a parchment of is the Sub Tuum Praesidium from 250 AD or earlier. The term Theotokos was in widespread use not only in Egypt, but around the Christian world.

You don't find this to be monumental?

Indeed I do.

The Gospel was given once and for all to the saints in the 1st century. The Roman church commands belief in "doctrines" unheard of by Christians for centuries and with the penalty of loss of salvation!

The "Roman church" whatever it is invented nothing about Mary. It appears to have developed or at least been in common use in the Egyptian area and spread to the other areas. During the fourth century, the term was already quite popular in the area of Alexandria (St. Alexander of Alexandria, St. Athanasius, St. Serapion of Thmuis, Didymus the Blind), and also in Arabia (Tite of Bostra), in Palestine (Eusebius of Caesarea, St. Cyril of Jerusalem), Cappadocia (St. Basil of Caesarea, Gregory Nazianzen, Severian of Gabala) and even among the Arians (Asterius the Sophist) (from http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2011/02/sub-tuum-praesidium.html)

The Roman church has abandoned the Vincentian prescription of "hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all. That is truly and properly 'Catholic,'"

This little diatribe does not do your post well. The only Latin theologian of note listed above is St. Athenasius.

The Roman church even binds mens souls to any future novelties it might see fit to proclaim! The Roman Canon of revelation is still open!

More diatribe? At what point do you want to nail things down? 100 AD? If so, you don't have the Trinity. And you have Hermas and Barnabas in your Scripture. You don't have Jude or 2 Peter. You have subordinationist preaching and a wholesale jettisoning of the OT. Sure you want to go there?

848 posted on 06/21/2011 9:14:45 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
When was the Protoevangelium of James written? Hint: not hundreds of years later. The first prayer that we have a parchment of is the Sub Tuum Praesidium from 250 AD

Opinions regarding: Protoevangelium of James:

Aquinas: "apocryphal ravings" (Summa Theologia, Third Part, Question 35, Article 9, Reply to Objection 3)(source)
Jan Wakelin, Director of Radio for Catholic Answers, in response to the question "How do we know that the Protoevangelium of James is credible?": "We don't."
[Pseudo?]-Pope Gelasius I, bishop of Rome 492–496, lists it among "The remaining writings which have been compiled or been recognised by heretics or schismatics the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church does not in any way receive; of these we have thought it right to cite below a few which have been handed down and which are to be avoided by catholics:" - Gelasian Decree, Chapter 5

Why would Roman Catholic authors use apocryphal ravings whose credibility they cannot confirm and which works have been condemned (apparently) by a pope of their church? There are two obvious explanations:
(1) many Roman Catholic apologists have only a passing knowledge of history and the fathers, and
(2) some Roman Catholic apologists simply don't care: if it seems to support Rome's position, it is used.
(3)In some cases, there is a third reason, which is that it is heretical works like the Protoevangelium of James from which, as an historical matter, were the true sources of the Roman Catholic doctrines and beliefs.

http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3441

850 posted on 06/21/2011 9:32:53 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: MarkBsnr
Subordinationist writings completely dominate Scripture in the NT and Trinitarian prose is largely absent. Look at the Synoptic Gospels and Paul's writings, especially.
Do we laugh or cry at these statements? So, the scriptures only lead us to being Arian or some other error???

Another typical attack on scripture by Roman defenders.

We are told that the VERY WORD OF GOD is insufficient and we must believe apocryphal fables, forgeries, and lies starting with the Author who was certainly NOT James. Writings condemned by a Pope, now contain the real truth!!!

851 posted on 06/21/2011 9:57:37 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: MarkBsnr
The "Roman church" whatever it is invented nothing about Mary. It appears to have developed or at least been in common use in the Egyptian area and spread to the other areas. During the fourth century,
300 years of silence, then apochryphal forgeries = Marian dogma. Yup, sign me up!
853 posted on 06/21/2011 10:12:09 AM PDT by bkaycee
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