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To: bkaycee
The truth is that the first icon was painted by the Gospel writer Luke.

An unsupported legend, hardly verifiable truth

Any more unverifiable as to the identity of the Gospel writers?

Mariology is woven into the Church's history and was integral to the early Church.

The early church is totaly silent on the various Marian heresies for the first 400 years or so years until the apocharyphal pagan transitus Marie writings appear and are condemned by the Church but later brought in. See 2 Pet 2

You have not answered my previous post in which I gave the example of the development and the declaration of the Trinitarian formulation which departed from earlier beliefs of the Church which were largely subordinationist. If the Trinity is valid, then why not this? It was declared by the same authority. Or do you claim the ability to pick and choose Christian doctrines with greater authority than the Ecumenical Councils?

The evidence is entrirely lacking to support any of your assertions. The entire NT does not record Mary playing any active part in the NT church! No one is praying to Her! She is not sitting on a throne, anywhere. She is not dispensing "grace" to anyone! She is not performing miracles. She is not part of the Apostolic ministry in ANY way!

The parts that Mary played were in the birth and raising of Christ, the intervention at Cana, the witnessing of the Crucifixion, and in the upper room at Pentecost.

Unfortunately, the church allowed heresy to influence her and let Mary became a focus for all sorts of nonsense 500 YEARS after the Biblical events occured! See the reference by Jesus about traditions of men.

Sola scriptura is an invention of men; so is bibliolatry. Yet if I am not mistaken, you practice both.

838 posted on 06/21/2011 4:38:39 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
You have not answered my previous post in which I gave the example of the development and the declaration of the Trinitarian formulation which departed from earlier beliefs of the Church which were largely subordinationist. If the Trinity is valid, then why not this?
Certainly the Trinity can be wholly found in scripture and was. The Marian nonesense is totally absent from the original church writings for HUDNREDS OF YEARS.

You don't find this to be monumental?

The Gospel was given once and for all to the saints in the 1st century. The Roman church commands belief in "doctrines" unheard of by Christians for centuries and with the penalty of loss of salvation!

The Roman church has abandoned the Vincentian prescription of "hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all. That is truly and properly 'Catholic,'"

The Roman church even binds mens souls to any future novelties it might see fit to proclaim! The Roman Canon of revelation is still open!

844 posted on 06/21/2011 6:39:08 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: MarkBsnr
Sola scriptura is an invention of men; so is bibliolatry. Yet if I am not mistaken, you practice both.
I "practice" what was well known in the early church, what we now call Sola Scriptura.

Cyril of Jerusalem also practiced it. "Have thou ever in thy mind this seal, which for the present has been lightly touched in my discourse, by way of summary, but shall be stated, should the Lord permit, to the best of my power with the proof from the Scriptures. For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell thee these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning, but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures" Catechetical Lectures 4.17.

I do not kneel down and pray to the Bible. I do not light candles to the bible. I do not address the Bible as God. There is one God that I pray to.

845 posted on 06/21/2011 6:56:48 AM PDT by bkaycee
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