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To: Just mythoughts
I do not see how Mary escapes the original sin given she was born into the family of Adam and Eve.

How did Christ escape it? He was born into that family too, wasn't He?

Christ can apply the merits of the Cross to us after Calvary, right? Well, then, why can't He apply the merits of the Cross to His mother *before* Calvary? Does God live in time? What does "before" and "after" mean to Him?

59 posted on 03/20/2011 3:53:35 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

Christ wasn’t under the curse of original sin because he wasn’t conceived naturally. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit, so he was sinless.

Your point about “Well, then, why can’t He apply the merits of the Cross to His mother *before* Calvary? Does God live in time? What does “before” and “after” mean to Him?” wouldn’t have any impact on her supposed sinlessness. The merits of the Cross remove the penalty of sin from a believer, but that doesn’t mean a believer will never sin again. Paul makes it clear that a believer still has the flesh nature within them that is at war with the Holy Spirit.

So, even if God said that Mary was redeemed before the Cross as you say, that wouldn’t mean that Mary never sinned.


61 posted on 03/20/2011 4:35:28 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: Claud
I do not see how Mary escapes the original sin given she was born into the family of Adam and Eve.

How did Christ escape it? He was born into that family too, wasn't He?

You honestly don't know that Christ escaped sin because He's God?

86 posted on 03/20/2011 10:50:51 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Claud; Just mythoughts
jmt: I do not see how Mary escapes the original sin given she was born into the family of Adam and Eve.

claud: How did Christ escape it? He was born into that family too, wasn't He? Christ can apply the merits of the Cross to us after Calvary, right?

Catholics seem to have a gross misunderstanding about where the sin nature comes from. The sin nature is passed on through the father. Jesus had no sin nature because He did not have a human father to pass it on to Him. THAT'S how He escapes it.

Well, then, why can't He apply the merits of the Cross to His mother *before* Calvary? Does God live in time? What does "before" and "after" mean to Him?

The merits of Calvary do not mean sinless perfection. They mean salvation by forgiveness through faith. Sinless perfection comes only after this mortal body of ours dies. Before that, we sin. ALL of us.

Mary herself recognized her need for a savior. Only sinners need a savior. That is her admission of her own sin and sinfulness.

If she had never sinned and called God her savior, then that would have been a lie, thus making her a sinner.

104 posted on 03/20/2011 4:47:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Claud
How did Christ escape it? He was born into that family too, wasn't He? Christ can apply the merits of the Cross to us after Calvary, right? Well, then, why can't He apply the merits of the Cross to His mother *before* Calvary? Does God live in time? What does "before" and "after" mean to Him?

Christ was God with us in a flesh physical body, nothing for Him to escape. Mary, while indeed predestined, blessed and yes filled with grace is NOT held more special than the rest. God says He is NOT a respecter of persons and each and every individual will be judged on their own good/bad/and ugly. Noah was obviously predestined, and wow, look at all the blessings and graced heaped upon Abraham. Again God is NOT a respecter of persons. He is quite able to give attention one on one of any one who 'will'.

This queen of heaven business reads very closely to religions of distant past.

272 posted on 03/23/2011 12:48:36 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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