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It's not snipping and clipping at all. It is, unlike the quotes people are tossing around here from the Pauline Epistles, directly relevant to the subject at hand. Dangus is right. Kecharitomene is a perfect tense verb. That means, in Greek, that the action was already completed. What Gabriel calls Mary is something like "The already-having-been-graced one." This passage isn't explicit when that happened--but it's clear it happened before the Angel spoke these words. Do you think it is purely an accident that the Greek Church calls Mary the "Panagia", the "All Holy"? You think they can't understand their own language?

Well I suppose then the disagreement comes down to who gets to determine what Scriptures have weight. I can see why Paul is not a big time favorite given he sure did neglect to defiy Mary. I mean really here we have Paul, sinner indeed, elected to pen the majority of the 'NEW' Testament, and all his Epistles instruct that salvation comes from the Heavenly Father in Christ... and then imagine Paul says allllll have sinned and short of the glory, that 'grace' comes from Christ.

Might even say that Mary's overflowing perfect grace came from Christ.

I can see why Paul is not a big time favorite given he sure did neglect to defiy Mary.

Well of course he didn't deify Mary. If he did he would have been a rank heretic and his Epistles would have been speedily burned rather than circulated to all the Churches. If he deified Mary we wouldn't be reading him at every Mass practically.

And yes, the problem is one of "who gets to determine which Scriptures have weight." I prefer to side with the majority on this. And that's the majority over 2000 of Christian history, with special emphasis on those writers of the early centuries known as the "Church Fathers".

Not only MIGHT we say that Mary's grace ALL comes from Christ, we MUST say it. Not a stitch of it is her own. From the definition

All know, likewise, how eager the bishops have been to profess openly and publicly, even in ecclesiastical assemblies, that Mary, the most holy Mother of God, by virtue of the foreseen merits of Christ, our Lord and Redeemer, was never subject to original sin, but was completely preserved from the original taint, and hence she was redeemed in a manner more sublime.

Everything she has, she gained from God who saved her.

>> I mean really here we have Paul, sinner indeed, elected to pen the majority of the ‘NEW’ Testament, and all his Epistles instruct that salvation comes from the Heavenly Father in Christ... and then imagine Paul says allllll have sinned and short of the glory, that ‘grace’ comes from Christ. <<

It’s been explained that Paul isn’t saying what Protestants scandalously insist he is saying. But, yes, if Paul HAD contradicted the gospels, the gospels would’ve remained, and Paul’s writings would’ve been given the boot, even though Paul’s letters were likely penned before at least two or three of the gospels.

What Gabriel calls Mary is something like "The already-having-been-graced one." This passage isn't explicit when that happened--but it's clear it happened before the Angel spoke these words. Do you think it is purely an accident that the Greek Church calls Mary the "Panagia", the "All Holy"? You think they can't understand their own language?

Come on... lets be serious ...

And the angel came in unto her and said Hail thou that art highly favoured the Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women

Cognate: 5487 xaritóō (from 5486 /xárisma, "grace," see there) – properly, highly-favored because receptive to God's grace. 5487 (xaritóō) is used twice in the NT (Lk 1:28 and Eph 1:6), both times of God extending Himself to freely bestow grace (favor).

to make graceful, endow with grace Original Word: χαριτόω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: charitoó Phonetic Spelling: (khar-ee-to'-o) Short Definition: I favor, bestow freely on Definition: I favor, bestow freely on. Cognate: 5487 xaritóō (from 5486 /xárisma, "grace," see there) – properly, highly-favored because receptive to God's grace. 5487 (xaritóō) is used twice in the NT (Lk 1:28 and Eph 1:6), both times of God extending Himself to freely bestow grace (favor).

Mary was chosen before the foundation of the world to be the human mother of Christ.. so indeed the blessing to her was "past tense" .