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To: conservativegramma
By calling Mary the "Mother of God" she (Mary) has now been raised into divinity status herself, <-Blatantly untrue. without sin, now she is prayed to, bowed to, exalted, and made a co-redemptrix <- As are ALL Christian Saints in Catholicism equal with Christ or even greater in some cases. <- An outright slander All blasphemous heresies. <- If the outrageous lies and slander stated above were true, this statement would be true. (I am NOT calling conservativegramma a liar. She is repeating outrageous lies and slander; I do not, however know if this is because of ignorance, foolishness or malice, so yes, RM, I cannot call her a liar.) Mary is the Mother of the humanity of Christ. She is not and never has been the source of His divinity. <-Absolutely true. This is not what the title "mother of God" means. Nor was she ever conceived without sin. This can be seen from her statements in Luke 1:47-48...God my Savior in v. 47 and humble estate in v. 48. (KJV uses the translation low estate). The Greek text is ταπείνωσις (tapeinōsis) which means: "ταπείνωσις (tapeinōsis, 5014), -εως, ἡ, (ταπεινόω), lowness, low estate, [humiliation]: Lk. i. 48; Acts viii. 33 (fr. Is. liii. 8); Phil. iii. 21 (on which see σῶμα, 1 b.); metaph. spiritual abasement, leading one to perceive and lament his (moral) littleness and guilt," <-- source, please?
182 posted on 03/22/2011 8:39:03 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus; DungeonMaster
Blatantly untrue....blah blah blah

The sad truth is it is blatantly TRUE! Sources? LOL! How about ANY source from the Vatican???? Here's just ONE for God's sake....I'd be here all day if I posted all of them:

From Vatican Collection Volume 1, Vatican Council II, The Conciliar and Post Conciliar documents. General Editor Austin Flannery, O.P. New revised edition 1992; Costello publishing company, Northport, New York. 1992 pages 420-421 (par. 65) -

65. But while in the most Blessed Virgin the church has already reached that perfection whereby she exists without spot or wrinkle (cf. Eph. 5:27), the faithful still strive to conquer sin and increase in holiness. And so they turn their eyes to Mary who shines forth to the whole community of the elect as the model of virtues. Devoutly meditating on her and contemplating her in the light of the Word made man, the Church reverently penetrates more deeply into the great mystery of the Incarnation and becomes more and more like her spouse. Having entered deeply into the history of salvation, Mary, in a way, unites in her person and re-echeos the most important doctrines of the Faith: and when she is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father....

Isn't that wonderful? Christ needs Mary to bring people to Himself, He can't do it on His own. "SHE" prompts....."SHE" is the subject of preaching AND WORSHIP! And this is from the Vatican.

Then there's that wonderful site DungeonMaster posted upthread in Post #162. The juicier parts:

" According to St. Bonaventure, all the angels in heaven unceasingly call out to her: "Holy, holy, holy Mary, Virgin Mother of God."....... while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests."

The whole world is filled with her glory....

The most blasphemous statement I've ever read. "HER" glory???? What about GOD'S GLORY?!?!?!?

Oh I admit Catholics won't ADMIT to worshipping Mary, but it IS what they do! There is not a blatant untruth here, just a refusal by Catholics to face the real truth.

Catholics worship Mary because they pray to her, kneel before her image, trust in her for salvation and attribute to her titles and honours which belong to God alone!

May God grant them all repentance. Rather than looking unto a creature, we should follow Mary in her godly example and apply ourselves to the LORD for salvation and all spiritual blessings. Anything less is blasphemous as it robs HIM of HIS power, glory, and authority above ALL things.

183 posted on 03/22/2011 9:13:00 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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