Posted on 02/12/2011 6:20:06 PM PST by topcat54
Joel McDurmon, hosting today's show for Gary DeMar, exposes End-times Dysfunction (E.D.) for what it is. Joel shares with doomsdayers how they can get relief from their paranoia and troubled souls.
Thanks. I find it heart-warming to be taken seriously, and wisely questioned. Very Berean of you!
The Mahadi-crazed Iranian dictatorship, armed by the Kremlin is determined to trigger war against Israel, as well as the West.
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>> “Sorry your God is out of the picture for now — mine is quite busy.” <<
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Yes, we already know that your ‘god’ is the god of snark.
If you’re referring to some of the more comical posts that are seen, I’d say that’s responding with honey instead of vinegar. I’m sure that the person that the jackass picture is meant for gets a laugh out of it, but it gets the point across without vitriol. I certainly get a laugh out of it!
Exactly.
A pic CAN zing home a sharp arrow
IF
it *IS* TRUE
in some clearly discernable sense and
IF
and HOLY SPIRIT DRIVES IT HOME AS SUCH.
Otherwise, it’s just a fuzzy, muffled ‘point’ in a pic with little precision.
A LOT of RC’s hereon seem to be quite convinced that they have discerned my heart on such matters
and PRESUME to have JUDGED my HEART accurately and wholesale negatively.
Most of they time, they are overwhelmingly WRONG. All the time, they are mostly wrong.
Besides mind-reading and heart-reading being beyond the rules.
Sometimes I think I’ve become the DESIGNATED WHIPPING POST with the RC’s getting a year’s book of free passes for personally assaulting Quix just on principle . . . with even the RM deciding that it’s for my Heavenly Reward benefit to leave the personal assaults up for my spiritual benefit.
I say that mostly because there can be strings of one assault after another with lots of RC’s dogpiling in . . . uhhh . . . dare we say . . . gay abandon?
It gets to be so pathetic as to be amusing. I can get annoyed but mostly it’s better to leave such posts up. It shows the character & the mentality of so many folks in the Vatican . . . Cult.
Besides, IF I thought they were 0.0000% accurate or true, I’d be in sack-cloth and ashes 24/7 most days of the week.
Blessings and Shalom!
In terms of me,
you’re MOSTLY right.
however, I am quite willing to own mocking things that beg to be mocked.
Christ did.
The Father did.
There’s plenty of mockery in Scripture of the enemy’s camp, values, etc.
I have to insure as best I can that my heart is right; that I’m mocking truly what deserves to be mocked and not, per se, someone’s heart, soul, personhood—which I truly cannot know by human agency—though sometimes the OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKS evidence is quite plentiful! LOL.
That’s great, and thank you
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
Did the world change when Christ died and was resurrected? Isn't that the pivotal moment in all of history? Do we need something more?
I've yet to see any dispensationalist explain the fact that there were only 12 Christians a mere 100 generations ago and now there are over two billion Christians.
Is that not progress? Isn't that a positive vector?
“Who does it benefit to believe the Gospel will not prevail in this life?”
A straw question really. The gospel has and will continue to prevail among those that are a part of his kingdom, but ultimately his kingdom is not of this Earth. He will return to make his enemies his footstool, but before he does that he will claim his own in the Harpazo that is promised.
He's already claimed His own, as evidenced by His free gift of grace through faith. His own are being gathered by the preaching of the Gospel from all corners of the world, from all nations and races. And He will lead them all home safely.
Who are "a part of his kingdom?" All believing Jews and Gentiles, "as many as were ordained to eternal life."
“The earth and everything therein were created for Christ’s sheep.”
Then why has he promised to destroy the universe with fervent heat? - No, he is creating a place for us, and it is not Earth, which will be incinerated.
So you do not believe the earth was created for us?
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." -- Romans 8:28
Regarding 2 Peter, my understanding is that when Jesus returns heaven and earth will be transformed into a new heaven and a new earth. It's quite a simple schedule. Christ was born, died and was resurrected to redeem His sheep. He spends the next whatever-amount-of-years perfecting those sheep until the day He returns again at the final judgment when all history ends and God's plan of salvation is complete.
“We may be thwarted, but we will never be defeated.”
I think you mean that Christ will never be defeated? We must be defeated that Christ may shine through us.
Nope. I've always assumed you and I both are included in Paul's assessment...
"Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us." -- Romans 8:37
Don’t get so anxious that you dismiss his plan for your own.
Anxious? Never.
"Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul." -- Psalm 66:16
And what God graciously has done for your soul and mine, He will continue to do in ever increasing numbers, if history is any indication, until He returns again.
Since also "a chiliad is as a day" we could burn through the whole Millennium in an afternoon, eh. --lnfThey just don’t see how their “literal when convenient”/“allegorical otherwise” knife cuts both ways. ---tc54
And yet, and yet, they will also argue that Daniel's seventy sevens is down to the day accurate timewise (minus that pesky last week), but only if you pick an unobvious and unnatural starting point, and make certain assumptions about the Hebrew year, and squint right.
A gap here, a gap there, accurate timing one place, "A thousand years is as a day so the millennium is the Day of the Lord" another (and Paul's got something to do with that last (even though Peter said it)).
What it tells me is that the dispensational system really can't handle time texts with any honest consistency.
For all the talk about no date setting each and every incarnation of the Bestselling Rapture Doctrine has followed the same path. Someone finds a new date to claim as the birth of the state of Isreal, someone writes popular books on the subject, and a new generation of those who would rather focus on the Rapture than on the work of witnessing emerges. We already see the next wave being set up because authors are nervous about that sales stream drying up. The latest thing is to date the real birth of the state of Israel as 1967 since that's when they got control of Jerusalem.
Whatever, it's obviously just a light hearted way to pass your time, have a good laugh, and give one another high fives and atta boys without resorting to online games of Halo but not much different. Otherwise someone might have to focus on justifying how little they reflect Christ rather than how they barely mange to keep a civil tongue.
PROVERBS 17:22
A merry heart doeth good like a medicine!
PROVERBS 15:13
A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance: but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken.
But I can't see into your heart. How would these things be manifest to others?
I don’t see good works as a “necessary” component in salvation either...but I think they are an important evidence of salvation - not always possible though (i.e. thief on the cross, deathbed conversions).
Under normal circumstances every believer will manifest good works.
Is this justification for allegorizing the text?
Dr E, the dispensations are God’s economy, and recognizing how God’s economy works is expected of us.
Neither you nor I can know how many Christians there are, and it would be wonderful if your guess is right, but what does that have to do with this discussion?
Our salvation through Jesus Christ is certainly the crowing achievement of creation, but again, that neither adds nor subtracts to either of our positions WRT this discussion.
The millenial reign has a purpose, and it relates mostly to Israel, not the church. The present age is the church age, and it definitely is in a steep falling away, leading to greater strife, and a false peace that will bring God’s wrath on mankind. I’m thankful that he has promised to meet the church in the air before it happens.
Or, just to make sure all our bases are covered:
Or, for that matter, communication technologies that perforate the firewall Islam needs to survive.
That reminds me -- I'm slacking off too much on my Turkish lessons. It's hard work, too easy to procrastinate, one of those important projects that isn't urgent at any particular point, but requiring a degree of constant attention ...
Twenty years from now, God willing, I may well be teaching the gospel in formerly Muslim nations -- and you? Looking for the latest mystical patterns in newspaper headlines?
What it tells me is that the dispensational system really can't handle time texts with any honest consistency.What it tells me is that you don't take this literal....
"The man WITHOUT the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
What an incredible cop out.
Extra Scofieldism nulla salus? Is that what you mean to say?
BTW, what translation are you quoting from? It matches nothing I have here.
I see the time before Christ and the time after Christ.
Israel is a democracy that should be supported by United States foreign policy. But regarding God's people, it is just a pile of dirt and rocks like the rest of the planet, no better and no worse.
To venerate real estate is no different than what the papists do with their "holy" scraps and relics.
I don't understand Christians who do not see Christ in the Old Testament or who believe that all men are not commanded today to kneel to Jesus Christ alone.
B.C./A.D.
Those are the only "dispensations" that mean anything.
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