Posted on 02/12/2011 6:20:06 PM PST by topcat54
Joel McDurmon, hosting today's show for Gary DeMar, exposes End-times Dysfunction (E.D.) for what it is. Joel shares with doomsdayers how they can get relief from their paranoia and troubled souls.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Baloney Speak.
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,The secret rapture of futurism is not the “glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.”
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. (Titus 2)
The word translated “appearing” is epiphaneia, epiphany. The same word used to describe the Second Coming in places like 2 Thess. 2:8.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness (epiphaneia) of His coming.If you examine the context carefully, which I know futurist are wont to do :-), this is speaking of the day of Christ, the Second Coming, after the “falling away.” It is when we are gathered to Him (v. 1).
The Bible does not support the views you espouse. In fact you cannot find one pure “rapture” verse in the entire Bible.
That's because your friend Mr. Darby invented the theory in the 1830s.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Recall your claim about Gentry. This stuff is worse. You have to drink the futurist kool aid for this stuff to make sense. You have to make all the same bad assumptions that futurists make to support their error. This is precisely why we see dispensationalism as theology in crack, clip and snip theology.
Biblical folks wouldn’t make this argument, not without reading Darby’s theology into every verse.
Absolutely. The new Jerusalem is the dwelling place of God's people, the Church. Read Hebrews 12:22ff. Paul tells us the same thing in Galatians 4. The Church is also the tabernacle, the dwelling place of God. See Rev. 21:3. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit.
This is Theology 101 stuff. I'm surprised you have trouble with it.
Thanks for the ping!
Thanks for sharing your insights, dear CynicalBear!
This is an excuse for failing to read the Bible in its “plain literal” sense, of which you folks are so fond. Paul says nothing about such nonsense here or anywhere else in his letters. In fact, I might go so far as to claim you are allegorizing the Bible to make it fit with your theology.
You friend CB seems to be having the same trouble.
Is this your tracker dog to help you find the elusive “rapture” text in the DSS you gleaned from your slouch historian friend?
>>Absolutely. The new Jerusalem is the dwelling place of God’s people, the Church.<<
Well! Now we are getting some place. If the church is the New Jerusalem and they come down with Christ (Revelation 21:2) are they being resurrected from the grave at the same time?
>>This is an excuse for failing to read the Bible in its “plain literal” sense, of which you folks are so fond.<<
So help me out here. The last trump is when Christ comes down to destroy the armies of Satan and chain Satan in the pit. At the same time the church which you say is the New Jerusalem which is in heaven comes down during that battle and the saints are meeting the “Lord in the air” at the same time and the earth is being destroyed. Did I get that all straight? It all happens at the same time right? At the last trump?
My pleasure. I spend a lot of time asking the Holy Spirit for guidance.
There’s no allegory there, just the simple facts of first century worship that you disdain. You’re thrashing.
>> “So help me out here. The last trump is when Christ comes down to destroy the armies of Satan and chain Satan in the pit. At the same time the church which you say is the New Jerusalem which is in heaven comes down during that battle and the saints are meeting the “Lord in the air” at the same time and the earth is being destroyed. Did I get that all straight? It all happens at the same time right? At the last trump?” <<
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See, you’ve got it!
Just a little more imagination and you could be a replacementeer :o)
LOL That’s a lot happening “in the blink of an eye”.
Thanks for putting me on the ping list!
And thank you for the compliment on my screen name!
Did you not sing in church the hymn, “The Holy City?”
THE HOLY CITY
Last night I lay a-sleeping
There came a dream so fair,
I stood in old Jerusalem
Beside the temple there.
I heard the children singing,
And ever as they sang,
Me thought the voice of angels
From heaven in answer rang.
Jerusalem! Jerusalem!
Lift up your gates and sing,
Hosanna in the highest!
Hosanna to your King!
And then me thought my dream was changed,
The streets no longer rang,
Hushed were the glad Hosannas
The little children sang.
The sun grew dark with mystery,
The morn was cold and chill,
As the shadow of a cross arose
Upon a lonely hill.
Jerusalem! Jerusalem!
Hark! How the angels sing,
Hosanna in the highest!
Hosanna to your King!
And once again the scene was changed;
New earth there seemed to be;
I saw the Holy City
Beside the tideless sea;
The light of God was on its streets,
The gates were open wide,
And all who would might enter,
And no one was denied.
No need of moon or stars by night,
Or sun to shine by day;
It was the new Jerusalem
That would not pass away.
Jerusalem! Jerusalem!
Sing for the night is o’er!
Hosanna in the highest!
Hosanna for evermore!
LOL.
I should get my popcorn.
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