[smvoice]

I'm going to give you the Scriptures, not my interpretation of the Scriptures, nor a long list of people who gave their interpretations of the Scriptures, as it makes no difference what I say, or they say, or you say. It matters what God says.

1. "For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are COMPLETE in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way nailing it to his cross." Colossians 2:9-14.

The circumcision, baptism, and being risen with Him are all spiritual, being performed by the Holy Spirit at the moment of our salvation.

2."Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation." Hebrews 9:10.

Do you know what "divers washings" are?

These are outward shows performed by man, that were spoken of in the previous Scripture I gave you. The handwriting of ordinances. All of these ordinances were taken out of the way and nailed to his cross. There are no more outward ordinances to be performed by man now. Christ has done it all for us. His work on our behalf is complete. There is nothing we can do to add to his finished work. This is why Paul can say there is now ONE BAPTISM. It is the Holy Spirit baptizing us into the body of Christ at the moment of our salvation. It is a spiritual baptism. Not a water baptism. This is why water baptism has nothing to do with the Gospel of the Grace of God. Everything we need for our salvation has been completed by Christ.

Water baptism cannot remit sins anymore than circumcision can set us apart or eating certain meats can damn us now. Because it is the operation of the Holy Spirit that brings us into Christ. Not ordinances we follow.

[Natural Law]

"I'm going to give you the Scriptures, not my interpretation of the Scriptures, nor a long list of people who gave their interpretations of the Scriptures, as it makes no difference what I say, or they say, or you say. It matters what God says."

So why did you choose that particular translation and why the use of the term "Godhead" instead of Deity, Trinity or just simply God?

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

you gave Scripture, but then you proceeded to give me your opinion of what they mean. i don’t believe you claim to be infallible, therefore when i put your opinion up against the clear teaching of the Bible and the unanimous teaching of the Church for 1,500 years, i’ll go with the Bible and Church every time.

btw - one of the criteria the Church used when they chose what books that claimed to be Scripture actually were ( 27 books made the cut ) was, did the book match the Sacred Tradition received from the Apostles in the Catholic Faith. one part of that Faith was we are placed into the Body of Christ, receive remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit by baptism. since the 27 books also teach this, they became canonical.
why you can’t see you are following a tradition of man from the 16th century is beyond me.
proverbs 16:25 “there is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death”

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

the other problem i see you have is you don’t realize the OT contained types and shadows that pointed to Christ. when the Christ actually appeared in the person of Jesus, the types and shadows were done away with. there is no more need for types and shadows, because the reality which they signified has come. Jesus did not commande useless ceremonies in Baptism and Communion, they are not types and shadows, but indeed are means of grace.

[MarkBsnr]

Water baptism cannot remit sins anymore than circumcision can set us apart or eating certain meats can damn us now. Because it is the operation of the Holy Spirit that brings us into Christ. Not ordinances we follow.

Then may I assume that you reject the Nicene Creed? Have you renounced Christianity, as a number of others here have?

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

****Water baptism cannot remit sins anymore than circumcision can set us apart or eating certain meats can damn us now.***

I’ve seen some people go into the baptismal waters a dry sinner and come out a wet sinner. No change in their attitude, or later actions at all.