[Cronos]

Valid -about a comparison between then and now, - but note my point --> if one says one's group follows the NT completely, then why not follow this? 1 Tim 2:11 11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full

[caww]

I think woman can and do just that...but they choose to do that..and that is the difference Cronos. Choice and the freedom of doing or do not.

Perhaps best you explain what submissive and quitness is in your mind.