Posted on 02/05/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by Gamecock
The scriptures contain ALL of the INSPIRED words paul wrote/said.... The scriptures contain all God intends us to know and all we need to know
so you don’t believe in two baptisms, and you say the one baptism of Ephesians 4 is Holy Spirit baptism, so logic would dictate you don’t believe in or practice water baptism, do i have that correct?
How many baptisms do Catholics believe in??
Funny..You left out the FIRST command ...REPENT
>>How is this any different from the RC doctrine that unbaptized babies did not go to Heaven?<<
Very, very different indeed. RC doctrine say baptism by the Church saves. We say that Jesus sacrifice on the cross was complete and that God draws us to Him and His grace alone saves. Therefore when the Apostles said “believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved-and your house”, His grace included the entire household.
There is nothing an organized church can do that saves anyone. We are not saved because we belong to an organization or go through some ritual or even do some wonderful deed.
In Matthew 16 Jesus is talking to all of the Apostles. They were all asked the question of who they thought He was. Though Peter was the one who answered for the group Jesus was talking to them all. When Peter said that they believed He was “Christ the Son of the Living God” Jesus replied and said that it was not flesh and blood that had revealed that to Peter but that it was “my Father which is in heaven”. He then says to Peter “and thou art Peter”, acknowledging that He knew who Peter was just as Peter knew who Jesus was. Then Jesus, referring back to “my Father which is in heaven”, says, “upon this rock I will build my church”
. In other places in scripture Jesus is referred to as the “corner stone”, but the rock that the church is build on is the Father.
If you want reference to God as the Rock here are some verses.
Deut. 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
2 Sam. 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; 3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
Psalm 18:31, "And who is a rock, except our God."
Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."
Rom. 9:33, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, and he who believes in Him will not be disappointed."
1 Cor. 3:11, "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ,"
1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."
1 Pet. 2:8, speaking of Jesus says that he is "A stone of stumbling and a rock (petra) of offense"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed."
It's a control issue. I have no use for men who try to beat women into subjection using Scripture to bludgeon them with.
I've seen it happen plenty of times, too.
That does not say that unbaptized babies go to heaven. All it does is appeal to the hope that God will take them.
Fail....
Do you know any group that says it fully follows completely the words of the NT and also enforces:
1. No women teaching
2. No women assuming authority over a man
3. women to learn in quietness
4. women to learn in FULL submission
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Does YOUR group?
That word doesn't seem to have much meaning to Catholics. They mistranslate it penance and preach penance to earn forgiveness of sins.
Considering the lifestyle I've sen the vast majority of Catholics lead, repentance is not part of their vocabulary. Just go to confession and your good to go.
“1 Corinthians 7:12-15 contradicts the opinion that the children of believers are not holy”
“lol. “Atmosphere?” The verse says “now they are holy.””
1 Cor. 7:13-14, “And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.”
Okay, let’s look at these verses from a Calvinist (authentic 5 point of course) viewpoint. If the unbeliever wants to leave the believer then he/she is no longer sanctified by the believer and the child would be what?
Note — I asked first. I will answer post your response.
Actually, surprise, surprise, not everything revolves around you, I was having a conversation with caww on the same topic and she asked me a question — to which pointed out the original aim of the topic. Thank you.
Judith Anne, NYer, and Salvation: you have a call from Cronos on the white phone in the lobby.
***But, if you cannot lose your salvation, why “repent”?***
Followers of the fragmented Roman cult may not follow this, but when you come to salvation you want to repent.
You are confusing categories, apples and oranges.
And your point is? Maybe the passage that would mean more to Roman Catholics is Colossians 2:8-15...
“8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.”
I highly recommend to you and your church verse 8 because it stands to convict Rome of relying on man-made tradition instead of Christ alone, and Him crucified.
Hoss
>> If the unbeliever wants to leave the believer then he/she is no longer sanctified by the believer and the child would be what?<<
The question itself indicates a fixation on legalism.
Expected FRetiquitte is that when talking about someone. you courtesy ping them.
Especially when you’re talking about them BY NAME in your post, you courtesy ping them.
Now it’s readily apparent that two things are happening here.
One is that Catholics display a fair degree of hypocrisy because then they’re not courtesy pinged, they pitch a royal fit.
The other is that their almost complete disregard for the rules, etiquette of FR, and directives of the RM displays an arrogance that the rules are made for everyone else but not them. IWO, that they are under no obligation to adhere to the rules that they expect others to adhere to; the rules are made for the little people.
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