Posted on 02/05/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by Gamecock
Bishop Hooper, who along with Bishop Latimer was burned alive at the stake under Queen Mary, did a survey in 1551 and found that out of 311 clergy in his Diocese, 168 were unable to repeat the Ten Commandments, 31 of those 168 could not even say in which part of the Scripture the Ten Commandments were to be found, 40 could not tell where the Lord’s Prayer was written, and 31 of the 40 did not even know who the author of the Lord’s Prayer was!
INDEED.
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Thank you for posting.
We have been given an abundance of riches by these real saints, whose lives and deeds are unknnown to Christians today.
Catholics benefited from the Reformation, which instigated their Counter Reformation.
The spread of Bible-based Christianity in the Third world, which has been dominated by Catholicism, has instigated the same changes. The first paragraph, desribing the state of the Church in the Middle Ages, is still descriptive of the Catholic Chirch today in places like Mexico.
Thank God for those reformers, who are mostly unknown today.
My ancestor, Thomas Cranmer, was among those burned at the stake by Bloody Mary as a heretic. He was the first Archbishop of Canterbury. His wife was Margaret Osiander, daughter of Andreas Osiander one of the leaders of the German Reformation. Thomas Cranmer hired Myles Coverdale to publish the “Great Bible,” the first English Bible authorized for public use. It was distributed to every church, chained to the pulpit, and a reader was even provided so that the illiterate could hear the Word of God in plain English.
His great grandson settled in York Maine in 1633. Ah yes, there were radicals in my woodpile.
Providentially the printing press was invented precisely at the same time the people trying to reform the Church wanted to spread their reforms and the same time Europeans were coming to the New World. Prior to printing Bibles were very expensive and it is highly doubtful very many would have been brought to the New World so quickly.
My French Huguenot (Protestant) ancestors and others baked their French language Bibles into loaves of bread and fled with them into England or Ireland or Holland or Germany after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes..
I had several families who went to England where there were 30 French Churches in London, and from there the sympathetic English government sent them on to NYC in the 1680s or so..
My families that fled to England were the Sicard, Parcot, Jandron/Gendron to London, the Badeau and Fume to Bristol...there may have been others also..
All these family names are mentioned on a monument as founders of New Rochelle, NY ...and Reformed French Church founders and members...
Their children married in England and came to the states...
Pierre Parcot became known as an “Ancien of the Temple” in Soho. The French Protestant churches were called “temples” in France and also in England. His son also Pierre married a Jandron/Gendron daughter, Francoise, in probably that same French Church in Soho, London.
From the Badeau and Fume families who fled together to Bristol, England, a son, Eli Badeau married a daughter, Claude Fume in the French Church in Bristol
Ambroise Sicard had escaped into England from France with 5 of his children and they were all sent on to NYC...there is no record of what happened to his wife...
Other of my French families fled to Holland and came here from there..their names were changed to the Dutch variation...
I also had an English family the Workmans who fled into Holland and changed their name to Woertman...
A favorite hymn that Huguenots would sing every night before bed was Psalm 68...
While the Reformation was feared at the time to be a danger to Christianity, the confluence of the Reformation, printing press and New World wound up serving to strengthen and spread Christianity beyond what any at the time could imagine, not to mention lay the entire spiritual, logical and legal basis for the United States.
I always say: it is impossible to understand the United States without understanding the European history prior and it is impossible to understand that European history without understanding the Reformation. If we exclude these from our children’s cirriculum, we rob them of their inheritence.
or What was the purpose of the Ekklesia ? Was it a temporal corporation to rule on earth ? No ! Was it to have a temporal head ? No ! It was a gathering of YHvH's chosen people to hear His Word ? and learn to Fear YHvH all their days ? And to teach their children the same ? Yes. How does YHvH define "church" i.e.Ekklesia ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Is it all those called out by YHvH ?
A study of the word "church", in the Koine Greek : Ekklesia.
Was the "church" started at the YHvH commanded
Feast day of Shavuot (pentecost) as some say ?
Did the "church" exist earlier ?
Using the LXX as a guide we see that the Ekklesia
is first used in Deuteronomy 4:10 NAsbU Deuteronomy 4:10 "Remember the day you stood before YHvH, your God
Also see : Deu 4:10, Deu 9:10, Deu 18:16, Deu 23:3, Deu 23:4, Deu 23:9, Deu 31:30,
at Horeb, when YHvH said to me, 'Assemble the people to Me, that I may let
them hear My words so they may learn to fear Me all the days they live on
the earth, and that they may teach their children.'
Jos 9:2, Jda 20.2, Jda 21:5, Jda 21:8, Jdg 20:2 Jdg 21:5, Jdg 21:8, 1 Sa 17:47,
1 Sa 19:20, 1 Ki 8:14, 1 Ki 8:22, 1 Ki 8:55, 1 Ki 8:65, 1 Ch 13:2, 1 Ch 13:4, 1 Ch 28:2,
1 Ch 28:8
When they weren’t burning heretics who disagreed with them, yeah, I guess we can thank them.
I think I’ve mentioned to you in the past that we have the same ancestor Pieter Casparzen Mabie or Pierre Gaspard Mabie whose D’Mailly/Mabille family had fled from Nevy, Anjou, France to Naarden, Holland after the St Baltholemew Day Massacre in 1572...
“Bishop J.C. Ryle described the situation: “The immense majority of the clergy did little more than say masses and offer up pretended sacrifices, repeat Latin prayers and chant Latin hymns (which of course most of the people could not understand), hear confessions, grant absolutions, give extreme unction, and take money to get dead people out of purgatory.”
“Bishop Latimer observed: “When the devil gets influence in a church, up go candles and down goes preaching.” “
Worth repeating. Though I don’t follow reformed theology,
I am grateful for the beginning of the restoration of
truths in the Bible that the early Church had recognized
as truth.
Many of the accretions of the intervening centuries were
stripped away - though not all. Most truth was restored -
though not all.
I am grateful for a living faith in the Biblical Christ,
salvation by grace through faith and apart from works,
and a Body of Christ that includes all true believers,
without regard to denomination.
Thanks for posting.
ampu
How the Reformation changed the Church?
Not much, the true Church existed 1,500 before the Reformation and it has existed 500 years after the Reformation. The religous world has changed a lot, since there are now thousands and thousands of man made religions who claim to be part of “The Church”, all contradicting each other in doctrine and spreading worldwide confusion. The true Body of Christ has One Lord, One Faith and One Baptism for the remission of sins. Jesus prayed that His followers be one, and since He is One, there is one bread and therefore there is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, it’s been here 2,000 years. As i said, the answer is, not much.
YHvH's church began 1800 years before the Roman "church"
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
was birthed at Nicaea by Pontiff Constantine.
I think the Reformers deserve a lot of thanks, but don't forget those brave souls who held to Biblical Christianity during the Dark Ages.
The Church traces its beginning to Pentecost AD 33 in Jerusalem, described in Acts 2.
And we are led by Jesus Christ bound together by our faith in Him, not some man made hierarchy.
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