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To: spunkets; kosta50; MHGinTN; betty boop
The quotes given in the 4 Gospels do not require the reader to have faith in the writers to know the person quoted, understand them and examine what's said for logical consistency.

Umm, no. One needs to have faith in the humans who recorded the events in order to accept the records as true. Don't forget the Old Testament, either.

To believe in the message of a deity conveyed by any prophet, prior faith in the prophet is a precondition.

975 posted on 01/29/2011 1:54:47 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Re: "The quotes given in the 4 Gospels do not require the reader to have faith in the writers to know the person quoted, understand them and examine what's said for logical consistency."

" ... One needs to have faith in the humans who recorded the events in order to accept the records as true. Don't forget the Old Testament, either. To believe in the message of a deity conveyed by any prophet, prior faith in the prophet is a precondition."

What I said is true. Faith in someone requires evidence and cause. The examination of what someone tells you never requires prior faith. the decision to believe, or to apply some probability measure to the "knowledge" presented, requires only a rational exam of what was said.

As far as the 4 Gospels are concerned, they contain what God said directly. At least, they contain what the person who said he was God said. What He said can be examined for value. As far as any other testimony goes: Moses gave the people laws and falsely attributed them to Him. That note from God regarding what Moses said applies universally, since no one is greater than Moses and Moses is greater than no one else.

987 posted on 01/30/2011 12:10:29 AM PST by spunkets
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