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To: whattajoke; allmendream

The intellectual error on your side is that you believe that genetic changes, which can be described empirically and predicted mathematically, will cause the emergence of discrete species—yet you fail to realize that the change in discrete species can be neither described empirically nor predicted mathematically.


873 posted on 01/25/2011 12:39:20 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: reasonisfaith
The intellectual error on your side is that you believe that genetic changes, which can be described empirically and predicted mathematically, will cause the emergence of discrete species—yet you fail to realize that the change in discrete species can be neither described empirically nor predicted mathematically.

Are you aware of Google? It'll help in your pursuit of dispelling this post of yours.
875 posted on 01/25/2011 12:52:30 PM PST by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: reasonisfaith
Genetic changes cannot be predicted, they are introduced by the environment or by DNA polymerase in a random fashion.

Change in “discrete” species CAN and ARE described empirically, and to some extent they are indeed predictable.

For example, if I take a species of cold water bacteria and expose them to hotter and hotter water, I can predict that they will express error prone DNA polymerase increasing the genetic variation within the population, and that those variations that lead to better survival in hot water will predominate in subsequent generations.

Thus I predict that my population of cold water bacteria, when exposed to hot water long enough, will become a hot water adapted population.

The intellectual error on your side is that your model has no explanatory or predictive power, thus you cannot explain why a bacteria would have an error prone DNA polymerase nor why it would be expressed during stress.

876 posted on 01/25/2011 12:54:15 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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