[James C. Bennett]

The moment something changes what it was doing (or not doing) is the moment it ceases being changeless, and therefore ceases being timeless. The moment of creation is such a moment. For the created and the creator.

Funny to see, isn't it, how for all the verbose self-congratulatory posts, this basic paradox remains to be explored, leave alone resolved? All that has been done is place an arbitrarily chosen deity, and attribute all the limits of current understanding to its mystery alone, scriptural contradictions (even moral contradictions) within the dogma of that chosen deity notwithstanding.

The root, elephant-in-the-room contradiction that seriously afflicts the assumption of a "timeless, changeless first causer" has been conveniently ignored in the entire "solution" for the paradox, and the chosen modus operandi, instead, is to provide pseudo-solutions based on definitions to pretend to resolve the daughter paradoxes that the first one produces, thereby successfully ignoring the latter.

Anyone dwelling in the ignorance of such a solution cannot have the peace of self-conviction they pretend to possess.

[MHGinTN]

As a Christian, I would not disagree that once The Creator created the universe, That Creator is changed. He even went so far as to take flesh and dwell among us. the issue revolves around the notions of dimensions Time and Space. Some few who consider the issues want to refute that there is a Creator, so when they confront the notion that Creator brought into existence the dimensions somehow this changes the nature of God prior to the creating.

Christianity addresses this supposed paradox by admitting that the final answer is beyond our human limits, that God manifests in three ways which we Christians believe is the triune nature of God. God may have many more 'unes' but we have evidence of three: God the Creator Who IS and thus IS before and after all that there is + God the Holy Spirit Who sustains the balance which is so delicately posed to keep the universe capable of bringing forth life + God The Son as Jesus The Word Who took flesh and dwelt among us.

In the Christian conceptualization of The Trinity, God The Creator is not diminshed when God The Holy Spirit sustains the entire of the universe, nor is God diminished when The OWrd become flesh and dwells among us. In fact we use an analogy to simplify this non-dimishing nature of the Triune God: when you love, you are not diminished by giving that love (in agape or eros or filia).

[kosta50]

All that has been done is place an arbitrarily chosen deity, and attribute all the limits of current understanding to its mystery alone

The classic god of the gaps.