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To: D-fendr; James C. Bennett
IF this is true, how can anything exist - without an uncaused first cause?

What makes you think the basis for all existence (space/time/energy) is not eternal? Why do they have to be created but God doesn't?

666 posted on 01/21/2011 8:23:18 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit...give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- Mithral prayer)
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To: kosta50
What makes you think the basis for all existence (space/time/energy) is not eternal?

I think it is, but not just because the First Cause argument is persuasive that it is.

Why do they have to be created but God doesn't?

Dependent existence is the universe as we observe and explain it. That's the first part. The second part (whatever you wish to call it) follows from logic - which explains why there is any first part at all.

IMHO, the second, logic part, has remained unscathed thus far and more successful objections tend to go after the first part.

670 posted on 01/21/2011 9:03:15 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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