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To: kosta50; MHGinTN; xzins; TXnMA; betty boop; James C. Bennett; MarkBsnr
On the first point, it should be clear to you by now that I will never yield the rules of engagement to anyone who has suggested that God is a hypothesis or a pink unicorn.

God is not a hypothesis. He lives. His Name is I AM. I’ve known Him for a half century and counting.

On the second point, space, time and causality are part of the creation not properties of – or restrictions on – the Creator of them.

Indeed, any being coming into existence subsequent to the existence of space/time and physical causality could not be The Creator, Alpha, El Shaddai (God Almighty), I AM, YHwH (He IS) which is also translated to The Lord.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8

And again,

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. – John 1:1-4

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Colossians 1:15-20

That there was a beginning of real space and real time was the most theological statement ever to come out of modern science (Jastrow.) The measurements of the cosmic microwave background radiation from the 1960s forward all accrue to the same point: that the universe is expanding. That means that there was a beginning of real space and real time, that space/time does not pre-exist but is created as the universe expands. “In the beginning, God created…”

That no physical cosmology (big bang/inflationary model, cyclic, imaginary time, multi-verse, ekpyrotic, etc.) can explain the beginning of real time is considered the great weakness of them all. All such physical cosmologies presuppose space, time and physical causality even though we know space/time does not pre-exist and yet must exist before there can be physical causality.

The exercise in post 363 is as simple as I can make it and still illustrate that the beginning of space/time and therefore physical causality requires an uncaused cause.

On the third point, the Hebraism in Genesis 2:17, the repetition of the word means that Adam was cursed with more death than a simple “lights out” physical death.

And concerning the curse being “in the day” and Adam living over nine hundred years, I refer you back to my post 317. To the Jews, early Christians and to me, the repeated statement that a day to God is equal to a thousand years to man is not a vague reference. It is literal, as evidenced by the curse and how long Adam lived, and has to do with prophecy.

But Spiritual truth cannot be discerned by a natural man.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Corinthians 2:14

God’s Name is I AM.

479 posted on 01/19/2011 8:33:03 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Bravo! To anyone but a congenitally negative "Yabbut", that argument is superbly bullet-proof.

Nicely Done, Dear Sister in Christ!!

And thank you for your superb testimony!

482 posted on 01/19/2011 9:41:46 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN; xzins; TXnMA; betty boop; James C. Bennett; MarkBsnr
On the first point, it should be clear to you by now that I will never yield the rules of engagement to anyone who has suggested that God is a hypothesis or a pink unicorn.

And I will never yield to your assertion that something is a fact simply because you believe it is.

God is not a hypothesis. He lives.

Prove it.

I’ve known Him for a half century and counting.

That proves nothing.

On the second point, space, time and causality are part of the creation not properties of – or restrictions on – the Creator of them.

No one knows that for sure. Your assertion is based on a theory.

The measurements of the cosmic microwave background radiation from the 1960s forward all accrue to the same point: that the universe is expanding.

When, according to the same theory it should be slowing down.

That means that there was a beginning of real space and real time, that space/time does not pre-exist but is created as the universe expands. “In the beginning, God created…”

No, it simply suggests that there was an event, not the "beginning". Again, the rest is clouded in various  (ever-emerging) theories.

That no physical cosmology (big bang/inflationary model, cyclic, imaginary time, multi-verse, ekpyrotic, etc.) can explain the beginning of real time is considered the great weakness of them all.  

Invoking an imaginary creator is a weakness in itself known as the god-of-gaps.

The exercise in post 363 is as simple as I can make it and still illustrate that the beginning of space/time and therefore physical causality requires an uncaused cause.

How do you know the "uncaused" cause was uncaused?

On the third point, the Hebraism in Genesis 2:17, the repetition of the word means that Adam was cursed with more death than a simple “lights out” physical death.

No, it simply means that Adam became mortal. For example, fwiw, in its Genesis 2:35-36, the Pseudo-Jonathan Targum quotes Gen 2:17 as “on the day which you eat of it you shall incur the death-penalty.”  

And concerning the curse being “in the day” and Adam living over nine hundred years...It is literal, as evidenced by the curse and how long Adam lived, and has to do with prophecy.

Adam did not live 1,000 years.

487 posted on 01/19/2011 10:38:19 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit...give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- Mithral prayer)
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To: Alamo-Girl; kosta50; MHGinTN; P-Marlowe; TXnMA; betty boop; James C. Bennett; MarkBsnr
To: On the first point, it should be clear to you by now that I will never yield the rules of engagement to anyone who has suggested that God is a hypothesis or a pink unicorn.

That is a beautiful and fully rational testimony, Sister Alamo-Girl.

Moreover, since spiritual truth can only be spiritually discerned, then there is no way that kosta50 can follow your rationale.

John 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

While some might find this a cute rhetorical device designed to shut off discussion, it is really not. A physicist discussing inflationary theory with a mentally challenged man has his work cut out for him trying to bridge the intelligence gap. Likewise, Christians must communicate across the "dead spirit" gap, and it seems only possible when God chooses to open the heart of the listener.

Kosta has not had his heart opened, evidently. It is possible that he simply isn't one of the elect or that his time has yet to come. He does seem to have an interest in the things of God, given his constant debating on the religion forum over things he does not believe, so perhaps that is a hopeful sign.

As I look out the window, a very fine snow is falling on our Ohio River Valley region. It is such a symbol of purity, newfallen as it is. The new birth, Kosta. You must be born again from above by God's Spirit.

496 posted on 01/20/2011 7:06:07 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
That no physical cosmology (big bang/inflationary model, cyclic, imaginary time, multi-verse, ekpyrotic, etc.) can explain the beginning of real time

Just curious...but doesn't memory also have to do with time? ......point A. to B. and most measurable things require the memory to discern time.

689 posted on 01/21/2011 10:44:42 PM PST by caww
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