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To: D-fendr; James C. Bennett
They have a problem with Jesus being the messiah, obviously. The problem the two religions differ on this point - irreconcilably. A deal killer.

Because Christians claim Jesus is YHWH and the Jews are paranoid that they will succumb to idolatry (once again) if they fall for it! The OT specifically has God saying "I am not a man..."

I don't see much difference between what some reformed Christians teach; I don't subscribe to their view of God either

Agreed.

"Uncreate, without beginning, immortal, infinite, eternal, immaterial, good, creative, just, enlightening, immutable, passionless…" 

The very same Eastern Church that sees God in this light also says that this God is also the same God who ordered OT genocides. You don't see the contradiction? You don't see the hypocrisy for the Church to commemorate the "Slaughter of the Innocents" (a  biblical event that has no historical corroboration), but the routine slaughter of the innocents in the OT is simply the "righteous anger" such as:

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." [Isaiah 13:16]

This is the same "good, creative, just, enlightening, immutable, passionless…" deity that demands infanticide and rape? And you don;t see anything wrong in that picture?

I can't reconcile the notion of "there is no purpose" with the constant exhibiting of purpose and desire to go somewhere

I really can't think of any specific purpose why man exists.  But it's a "feels-good" to believe we do.

I can't understand a life lived fully with gloom and cynicism and a value system based on feels good. I don't think it comports at all with Taoism either.

There is no other way to describe the futility of chasing after the truth that's unprovable.  

That's not the point. The point is if they were, does life has value, inherently. Assume all conditions equal, what say you?

I can't imagine it ever being all conditions equal. It's too abstract and hypothetical to answer with any degree of certainty. We don't know how we will react in a given situation. It's part of the "mystery" of life, as we walk through it with one eye shut and the other one barely open, hoping.

1,522 posted on 02/18/2011 9:03:32 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: kosta50
This is the same "good, creative, just, enlightening, immutable, passionless…" deity that demands infanticide and rape? And you don;t see anything wrong in that picture?

Certainly I do, K, the latter ain't the Christian God.

I remember being on the same side against Reformed folks, arguing against this OT God error. You were very skillful and accurate in your arguments. If you still remember them, put them here: __________ .

I really can't think of any specific purpose why man exists.

I'm not trying to be personal here, but it's necessary for the discussion. Do you have a purpose? This is what I'm trying to get at. It's not us in here and the universe out there. We are part of the processes of the universe. One of the results of these processes is you - and your purpose.

None?

There is no other way to describe the futility of chasing after the truth that's unprovable.

What's provable in Taoism? Pursuing truth is what humans do; it's what makes us different than the other animals.

thanks for your reply...

1,527 posted on 02/18/2011 9:43:18 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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