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To: D-fendr
It would have a cause and on and on, and "in efficient causes it is not possible to go on to infinity."

If we look at the efficient causes as a string of events along a closed loop, we can see that it is possible to have efficient causation without the need for the uncaused first cause.

I think Aquinas' argument breaks down when he posits that there can be no infinite (circular) regress. That assumption necessitates a stop-gap fist cause which itself cannot be caused, but which violates A's premise that all that exists had to be caused.

If all that exists must have been caused by something prior, then first cause cannot exist, by definition. Aquinas unequivocally ties existence; thus, if you are not caused, you can't exist (on your own); that forces a conclusion that first cause not only doesn't but cannot exist (because nothing caused it to exist)!

FWIW

1,240 posted on 02/08/2011 11:59:04 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: kosta50

The causal loop is a common objection. There are two or maybe three ways to answer it.

First question: what got the first one in the loop, started? What was its cause?


1,243 posted on 02/09/2011 12:12:58 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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