"The rebuttal is that the attributes of eternal, uncaused, unmoved, unchanging, etc. are an integral part of Christian theology and therefore compatible."
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"Never the spirit was born; the spirit shall cease to be never;
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Never was time it was not; End and Beginning are dreams!
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Birthless and deathless and changeless remaineth the spirit for ever;
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Death hath not touched it at all, dead though the house of it seems!"
- Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: II, Lines 65-68. |
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"Of what metes days and years,
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Time’s self I am; "
- Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: X, Lines 82-83.
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"Thou seest Me as Time who kills, Time who brings all to doom, |
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The Slayer Time, Ancient of Days, come hither to consume;"
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- Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: XI, Lines 201-202.
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"That Truth which giveth man Amrit to drink,
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The Truth of HIM, the Para-Brahm, the All,
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The Uncreated; not Asat, not Sat,
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Not Form, nor the Unformed; yet both, and more;—
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Whose hands are everywhere, and everywhere
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Planted His feet, and everywhere, His eyes
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Beholding, and His ears in every place
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Hearing, and all His faces everywhere
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Enlightening and encompassing His worlds.
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Glorified by the senses He hath given,
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Yet beyond sense He is; sustaining all,
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He dwelleth unattached: of forms and modes
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Master, yet neither form nor mode hath He;
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He is within all beings—and without—
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Motionless, yet still moving; not discerned
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For subtlety of instant presence; close
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To all, to each, yet measurelessly far!
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Not manifold, and yet subsisting still
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In all which lives; for ever to be known
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As the Sustainer, yet, at the End of Times,
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He maketh all to end—and re-creates.
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The Light of Lights He is, in the heart of the Dark
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Shining eternally. Wisdom He is
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And Wisdom’s way, and Guide of all the wise,
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Planted in every heart.
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So have I told
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Of Life’s stuff, and the moulding, and the lore
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To comprehend. Whoso, adoring Me,
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Perceiveth this, shall surely come to Me!"
- Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: XIII, Lines 39-67.
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"There be those, too, whose knowledge, turned aside
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By this desire or that, gives them to serve
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Some lower gods, with various rites, constrained
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By that which mouldeth them. Unto all such—
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Worship what shrine they will, what shapes, in faith—
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’Tis I who give them faith! I am content!
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The heart thus asking favor from its God,
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Darkened but ardent, hath the end it craves,
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The lesser blessing—but ’tis I who give!
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Yet soon is withered what small fruit they reap
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Those men of little minds, who worship so,
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Go where they worship, passing with their gods.
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But Mine come unto me! Blind are the eyes
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Which deem th’ Unmanifested manifest,
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Not comprehending Me in my true Self!
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Imperishable, viewless, undeclared,
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Hidden behind my magic veil of shows,
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I am not seen by all; I am not known—
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Unborn and changeless—to the idle world.
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But I, Arjuna! know all things which were,
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And all which are, and all which are to be,
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Albeit not one among them knoweth Me!"
- Bhagavad-Gita, Ch: VII, Lines 69-90.
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Works elsewhere too, eh? That's why I insist on comparing religions with the apologetics they claim as their own.
I'm not clear here: are you saying that religions are false because the first cause argument is true?
Or are you saying that one cannot accept the first cause argument and one's religious beliefs simultaneously?
Left out an alternative: “Or both, or..?”
For me personally, that's a mark in its favor.
I'm thinking I still must be missing your point here.
Amazing. Then look at my tagline...that too could be "Christian".