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To: kosta50
Re: "It's all a list of stuff that's made up purely and arbitrarily by referencing "the ideal man"

"No, it's actually everything man is not. (aka apophathic thinking).

In order to know what man is not, one must have an idea of what man is. Only then can the transcendent BS be contrived to differentiate man from his transcendent creator and overlord.

That stuff contradicts Gen 1:26,27 that says man is an Image of God.

"But calling God a "person' is anthropomorphism."

No. If Gen1:26,27 is to hold, there must be an inverse image which obtains the original. That means that the creation event must be a function that provides for the appearence of a set of sentient rational beings that all have in common the same set of functional capacities Y, that has a one to one correspondence with, and has identically one functional capacity for each capacity in the set X. So the creation function f and set X; X:f(x)->Y has an inverse Y:f(y)->X. That is what an Image is and it is a fundamental concept in Christianity.

"compassionate, i.e. Christlike (animals don't have it)

They shure do. Here's a video of a stray dog rescuing another stray dog from an expressway somewhere in S. America. I've seen while hunting, emotional connection in animals which indicates they have the feelings of love between them.

"the latter aspect of humanity was lost in the Fall. Salvation is re-acquiring the likeness of God,

There was no fall. Gen 3 is a parable. Each man is Adam and Eve and each woman is Adam and Eve, male and female they are. God never recinded the original gift of life, or corrupted the set Y which would destroy the inverse function. John 9 shows where the doctrine of original sin comes from and Ezekiel 18 refutes the doctrine entirely.

"Salvation is re-acquiring the likeness of God, i.e. becoming Christ-like, or divined, perfected, etc., according to Christian theologians."

Salvation is eternal life in Heaven. It is not reaquiring the likeness of God, because that was never lost, or taken away. The likeness of God is the image, which is function. The relevant functions regarding salvation are involved in Free Will.

It is by Free Will that folks determine if they live in Heaven. Matthew 12:32, "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

"You can say you believe it, but that's not Chritainity."

Thre's only one truth, not many. You previously listed more than one "Christian" groups as mainline. They all have contradictory teachings which contradict even the Bible. Christianity must hold the correct identity of the Person of God and the true identical values of the Holy Spirit. Doctrinal decisions made by past councils do not determine truth. The opinion of Jewish scholars regarding OT passages that Christians believe refer to Jesus is likely to be irrelevant. for instance in Psalm 110 that I mentioned above, I capitalized the word lord, which was a translation of the Hebrew adonee, because Jesus was counted among the wicked and God's day of vengeance and salvation is given in Isaiah 63. That day was Good Friday.

"There were no bones. There was no resurrection of the two Jewish kingdoms or Davidic rule. The context and the implication of Jesus' Resurrection is night and day from Ez. 37.

Christians don't believe the passage refers to some future Davidic rule. The passage refers to the resurrection of the dead. Jesus raised some others, then Himself and the rest would follow. The rule comes in the Kingdom of Heaven.

1,136 posted on 02/06/2011 1:58:00 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
In order to know what man is not, one must have an idea of what man is. Only then can the transcendent BS be contrived to differentiate man from his transcendent creator and overlord.

We know what man is not. Man is mortal, finite, imperfect, not all knowing, not all powerful, not eternal, etc.

That stuff contradicts Gen 1:26,27 that says man is an Image of God

An image is not the thing it represent. An image is a representation of the thing. Thus man, as an image of God,  represents God on earth. 

Likewise, man cannot become God any more than your picture can become you.

They shure do. Here's a video of a stray dog rescuing another stray dog from an expressway somewhere in S. America

Dogs learn behavior just like we do. They in particular are responsive to humans and pretty much adopt their ways within their capacities. But mentally they are on a 2-year-old level, and a 2-year-old doe snot relaly know what comparison is, at least not intrinsically.

There was no fall. Gen 3 is a parable

Oh, so Gen 1"26-27 is literal and Gen 3 is a parable. More Spnuketism.

It is by Free Will that folks determine if they live in Heaven. Matthew 12:32,

And there are many other instances in the Bible where the authors declare that God has decided before the world was even created on the fate of each and every soul.

Thre's only one truth, not many. You previously listed more than one "Christian" groups as mainline.

Yes, they are Christian because they all share what Christian establishment declared in the 4th century to be Christian faith, namely Three Hypostases (Persons) in one Nature (Godhead). You will just have to declare your own Spunketism variety of Christain following.

Doctrinal decisions made by past councils do not determine truth.

But you do? LOL.

I capitalized the word lord [in Ps 1101:1], which was a translation of the Hebrew adonee

Biblical Hebrew doesn't have capitals, so I don;t know why you capitalized it. Adonee simply applies to a secular master, in this case the master of the psalmist, which would be King David.

Jesus was counted among the wicked and God's day of vengeance and salvation is given in Isaiah 63. That day was Good Friday.

Again, that's Spunketism.

Christians don't believe the passage refers to some future Davidic rule.

You are right. Christianity took a little form Judaism, a lot form paganism and made a new religion, stealing much of the words and making their own concepts the way you are doing, and calling it the truth. Nothing new.

Jesus raised some others, then Himself and the rest would follow.

He (suppsedly) raised some because the NT insists he was given the power to do so. Just as the apostles supposedly raised people form the dead after Jesus. That doens;t make them gods.

The NT, however, states unequivocally that Jesus was raised by God. No writer claims, after the event, that he raised himself.

1,138 posted on 02/06/2011 11:44:31 AM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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