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To: mas cerveza por favor
>>This is another pretrib rapture hoax quotation which I previously dealt with in post 273 of this thread.<<

No, you did not deal with it in post 273. You gave a convoluted diatribe trying to make his words say something other then what they clearly say. You people try to do that all the time. Either you start throwing up straw dogs or attempt to claim that translations were done wrong or something else.

Let’s let the words speak for themselves.

"All the saints and elect of God are gathered together >b which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

He specifically states, in so many words, that it is “before the tribulation” and no amount of double speak on your part can change the words.

410 posted on 01/17/2011 11:38:03 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Post 273 was not convoluted. Did you even read it?


413 posted on 01/17/2011 11:48:31 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: CynicalBear
ABSOLUTELY INDEED
!TO THE MAX!

419 posted on 01/17/2011 12:07:39 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: CynicalBear
He specifically states, in so many words, that it is “before the tribulation” and no amount of double speak on your part can change the words.

You cannot take a sentence out of context from the source. Obviously, you did not read the link to the source I previously posted. The "it" you refer to is not the rapture. "Taken to the Lord" means "participate at least in some measure in beatitude" and the "beatitude" has to do with "the highest acts of virtue that can be performed in this life." These acts are performed on earth, not in the sky or Heaven.

Before you post again, please read this thorough debunking of the pre-trib appeals to the Pseudo-Ephraem quote:

http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/articles/deceiving.htm

425 posted on 01/17/2011 12:28:28 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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