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To: Cronos
so if we have a bonehead priest or bishop or pope, that's irrelevant, what is relevant is Christ Himself.

But it is relevant in every way...if those who appoint him cannot or will not un-appoint or replace him, then overtime yes indeed it is time to move on. That's not church jumping, that's simply being wise and careful to distinguish when it is time to do so.

we consider The Church to be akin to the royal priesthood of Israel, the native Israelites did not change their Israeliism because of a bad king or high priest.

But Christ did indeed CHANGE the whole equation of the Priesthood. As the body of believers in Christ we do not fashion ourselves as Israel, for we are not Israel. We are under the new covenant. So that ends that discussion. I see no comparrison there... thus no need for the Priesthood as Christ is our Priest entire and alone Him.

IMO the Priesthood of the catholic church is three quarters of the problem. Without them the laity might have opportunity to establish a better relationship with Christ instead of going thru all the hoops and loops the Priest require the laity jump thru. But of course they get their orders from Rome....one hand does feed the other.

1,033 posted on 01/19/2011 8:17:22 AM PST by caww
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To: caww; topcat54
1. Not really -- bishops etc. are replaced.

2. Christ changed the equation of Priesthood. He took the analogy of the OT where all of the Israelites were part of the Royal Priesthood. Now Christians are all party of the royal priesthood. Yet, the Israelites had ministerial priests too -- as do us Christians today. Christ's unique role as Man and God remains and is not blemished by the sub-shepherds/pastors/priests.

3. We DO fashion ourselves as the old testament -- the OT predicts the NT, right from baptism to the royal priesthood of Christians. We are part of the New Covenant, yet remember that Christ came to FULFILL the Old Covenant, not destroy it. He did not come to replace Israel with Christians but to make Gentiles part of the house of Israel (as TopCat has illustrated above)



If I take the example that we consider The Church to be akin to the royal priesthood of Israel, the native Israelites did not change their Israeliism because of a bad king or high priest. Those that did, ended badly (the Northern tribes). Rather the truth is to stay and let God lead.
1,037 posted on 01/19/2011 8:25:56 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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