Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: 1010RD
Jesus is not the Father, something Jesus himself makes clear.

You mean like this?

John 10:24-33 24So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?" 33The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."

John 14:8-11 8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." 9Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

LDS doctrine doesn't rely on the Bible alone.

Therein lies the problem. Adding to Scripture and making things up LDS has wandered away from the truth and followed Satan.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

If it were important for us to know, God would ahve told us. Be that as it may, Scripture was fulfilled that a virgin conceive and bring forth a son. If Mary had sex with Elohim as LDS teaches, she wasn't a virgin.

809 posted on 11/13/2010 3:58:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 768 | View Replies ]


To: metmom
John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

and

John 10:32-33 32Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?" 33The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."

These are two verses you used, correct? NB: Jesus in verse 29 refers to the Father as a distinct person and again in 32.

He prays to His Father. His Father can save him with 12 legions of angels. He calls his Father - Daddy on the cross.

Trinitarian Christians resolve this through the Holy Trinity. OK, that's their choice, but an objective and thoughtful Christian can read those verses and others in the Bible and decide that the Trinity isn't an accurate description of God.

As to adding to scripture, can you imagine how a faithful Jew feels about the New Testament? You accept it as God's inspired word, added to the Old Testament. Who is right? Why don't the Jews get the same vigorous and continual attacks that the LDS do?

Is it because they are a protected minority? Or because they don't proselytize or because the numbers of faithful Jews are dwindling and hence pose no threat to modern Christendom?

I don't know, but respect for conscience implies respect for God. That he gave us choice and that scripture is open to interpretation indicates that He knows a bit more about salvation than we do. I cannot see God punishing honest, sincere believers because they got it wrong. It just doesn't jive with "God is love".

Be that as it may, Scripture was fulfilled that a virgin conceive and bring forth a son. If Mary had sex with Elohim as LDS teaches, she wasn't a virgin.

The Bible says that a virgin will conceive. It doesn't say how she would conceive. It doesn't say or even imply that Mary is a perpetual virgin, but you can believe that if you like. Let's not argue it any more.

I can respect your conscience. I've seen your writings and can believe you are a thoughtful, God-fearing Christian.

829 posted on 11/13/2010 4:50:28 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 809 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson