Posted on 10/20/2010 2:24:53 PM PDT by NYer
I am more interested in what God has said verses man’s wisdom on these issues. I wish more people would ponder this issue and look into what God has said about children and procreation.
Well, maybe you’ll be happy to learn that I did “multiply” and now have some grandkids. :)
I am glad for your sake, this is an important topic for the church as a whole to genuinely debate. It is nice to be able to dialogue without throwing each other under the bus.
This proposition is problematic because it takes a deeply-held, philosophically and theologically sound moral and ethical proposition that has been steadfastly considered and held by the catholic church since the advent of modern anti-conception technology and asserts that all they're really trying to do is increase their coffers.
It also ignores that even Catholics are commissioned and charged to be evangelists. Children are more likely to stay in the religious faith of their parents, but Christianity is an evangelistic faith in which members sin by failing to communicate the gospel to the lost. The church grows by evangelism to both family members and to the unsaved.
And this next statement is more apropos of the fact that I'm about to leave work for my personal evangelism class at church and is not related to my above critique, but do you consider yourself to be a good person?
If God were to judge you for how you've lived your life, do you think you'd be innocent or guilty?
The bible says that anyone who has violated any portion of God's law -- told a lie, stolen anything, looked at another person with lust -- is guilty of sin and the punishment for that is death and hell. Christ, however, by living a sinless life and dying on the cross as a sacrifice for sin paid the penalty for my sin and everyone else's and that by accepting his propitiation of our sin we can be set free of God's judgment.
Thanks in advance for letting me get that out. Best regards, FATC
Are not you aware that contraception is the killing of the union between an egg and a sperm?
It is just as eveil as
abortion,
invitro fertilization that wastes many eggs,
embryonic stem-cell research which hasn’t proved fruitful (adult stem cell research is doing very well, thank you.)
or euthaniasia.
Can we point out before this thread gets too far along that nowhere does the church teach that infertile couples must abstain from marital relations? It always comes up, and completely misses the point that fertility is an aspect of marriage that must remain in God’s domain and not man’s. There is a big difference between a man or woman withholding that aspect of sex for their own ends, as opposed to God withholding it for His.
Wow I had no idea that anyone holds that belief.
Yert God instructed the people of the earth:
(both Adam and Even and Noah and his wife and their sons and wives)
:Go forth, be fertile and multiply.”
LOL! — can you tell I am leading a Bible Study on Genesis right now?
Natural Family Planning does not thward the conception process. It is a program of abstinence.
I studied Genesis inductively a few years ago and it changed me, the Word of God teaches us and insructs us. I pray that more professing believers would dig into the world and know what it says. Blessings!
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I would disagree, withholding intimate relations from each other for the mere purposes of not getting pregnant is not biblical.
and I am obviously talking about married couples.
**Yert God instructed the people of the earth**
Oops
Yes, God instructed the people of the earth
Thanks for the info, I will certainly read it a time permits.
Didn’t you mean “dig into the Word”?
We’re struggling with this too - I am 41 and my youngest of 5 is 1. I am completely against artificial contraception and I struggle with NFP for similar reasons...still struggling with it - its a trusting in God issue, I think.
LOL, thanks for the correction. I think we all dig into the world a little too much.
With the help of God.
It doesn’t mean that they can’t be intimate.
I’ve never watched that show. What does he do for a living?
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