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To: stfassisi
Thanks for your reply:

There are common themes you find amongst the heretics such as valentinians,sethians,marcionites,bardaisans etc.. and Calvinism

Yes, the Calvinism exhibited here does sound like heresy piled upon heresy - and then folded back on itself.

One is God planned evil or created it,the other is free will is not understood properly and lastly there is misrepresentations of the Apostle Saint Paul.

Yep, yep and yep.

9,403 posted on 10/07/2010 7:20:36 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; MarkBsnr; kosta50; Legatus

Stfassisi-There are common themes you find amongst the heretics such as valentinians,sethians,marcionites,bardaisans etc.. and Calvinism

D-Fendr-Yes, the Calvinism exhibited here does sound like heresy piled upon heresy - and then folded back on itself.

Take a look at what Tertullian wrote against the Valentinians and the striking similarities with calvin’s double predestination.Calvin changed a few thing but his basic theory is of the Valentinian heretics.

Tertullian Against the Valentinians Chapter 29
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0314.htm

The material nature, which had become reprobate for salvation, they assign to Cain; the animal nature, which was poised between divergent hopes, they find in Abel; the spiritual, preordained for certain salvation...

Men’s spiritual state they derive over and above the other conditions, from Seth adventitiously, not in the way of nature, but of grace, in such wise that Achamoth infuses it among superior beings like rain into good souls, that is, those who are enrolled in the animal class. Whereas the material class— in other words, those which are bad souls— they say, never receive the blessings of salvation; for that nature they have pronounced to be incapable of any change or reform in its natural condition. This grain, then, of spiritual seed is modest and very small when cast from her hand, but under her instruction increases and advances into full conviction, as we have already said; and the souls, on this very account, so much excelled all others, that the Demiurge, even then in his ignorance, held them in great esteem. For it was from their list that he had been accustomed to select men for kings and for priests; and these even now, if they have once attained to a full and complete knowledge of these foolish conceits of theirs, since they are already naturalized in the fraternal bond of the spiritual state, will obtain a sure salvation, nay, one which is on all accounts their due.-Tertullian


9,723 posted on 10/09/2010 8:42:19 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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