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To: maryz; HarleyD; D-fendr
the powers of the soul, traditionally named as memory, intellect and will, were weakened -- not destroyed, making it more difficult to apprehend the Truth and act on it.

Correct. The Church sees the human being as spiritually ill, but not dead, and in need of a spiritual physician (Christ) and a spiritual hospital (Church).

[The Council of] Trent reiterated its condemnations of Pelagianism and and semi-Pelagianism as well as condemning the Calvinist view.

HD has this thing about the Church being basically Pelagian and obviously thinks that any free will is a confession of ay least semi-Pelaginaism, which is of course completely off the mark.  The Church, both East and West, has maintained that salvation is neither accomplished by man's free will (Pelagianism), nor initiated by it (semi-Pelagianism). The Church steadfastly taught that man can do nothing without Grace, and that it is God who initiates and carries man's salvation.

But the Church also teaches synergy, where man, through his own free will cooperates with God the way a patient cooperates with a physician.  That is not (semi)Pelagianism.

6,714 posted on 09/22/2010 12:08:14 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50
The Church, both East and West, has maintained that salvation is neither accomplished by man's free will (Pelagianism), nor initiated by it (semi-Pelagianism). The Church steadfastly taught that man can do nothing without Grace, and that it is God who initiates and carries man's salvation.

My Lutheran Pastor said the same thing in my confirmation classes years ago.

6,768 posted on 09/22/2010 6:52:56 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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