RN-””Well John Paul seemed to think it was ok..interesting he would kiss a Koran , that has a false god and catholics call that love, but they hate Luther and the reformers that love the one true God.. just kinnda interesting.””
First of all kissing a book is not a big deal,it’s just a book and if it helps a relationship towards peaceful dialog perhaps good can come out of it
Secondly, we do not hate Luther and the reformers we recognizance some of what they teach is heretical and flawed but we don’t run around saying they are going to hell like ignorant protestant religious zealots do to muslims ,Catholics and mormons
From Dominus Iesus In regards to protestant communities
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
“Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”.
Dominus Iesus in regards to other religions...
“we must believe in no one but God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”.20
For this reason, the distinction between theological faith and belief in the other religions, must be firmly held. If faith is the acceptance in grace of revealed truth, which “makes it possible to penetrate the mystery in a way that allows us to understand it coherently”,21 then belief, in the other religions, is that sum of experience and thought that constitutes the human treasury of wisdom and religious aspiration, which man in his search for truth has conceived and acted upon in his relationship to God and the Absolute.22
This distinction is not always borne in mind in current theological reflection. Thus, theological faith (the acceptance of the truth revealed by the One and Triune God) is often identified with belief in other religions, which is religious experience still in search of the absolute truth and still lacking assent to God who reveals himself. This is one of the reasons why the differences between Christianity and the other religions tend to be reduced at times to the point of disappearance.
The Church’s tradition, however, reserves the designation of inspired texts to the canonical books of the Old and New Testaments, since these are inspired by the Holy Spirit.24 Taking up this tradition, the Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation of the Second Vatican Council states: “For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (cf. Jn 20:31; 2 Tim 3:16; 2 Pet 1:19-21; 3:15-16), they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself”.25 These books “firmly, faithfully, and without error, teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures”.26
Nevertheless, God, who desires to call all peoples to himself in Christ and to communicate to them the fullness of his revelation and love, “does not fail to make himself present in many ways, not only to individuals, but also to entire peoples through their spiritual riches, of which their religions are the main and essential expression even when they contain ‘gaps, insufficiencies and errors’”.27 Therefore, the sacred books of other religions, which in actual fact direct and nourish the existence of their followers, receive from the mystery of Christ the elements of goodness and grace which they contain.
The rest of your posts reminds of something that I would hear from a fundamentalist religions zelot that scares people away and is afraid of loving someone who differs in their belief
It is not Just a book.. It is a SACRED book ..Did the Imam kiss the Bible in return? Of course not they will not compromise their faith
Secondly, we do not hate Luther and the reformers we recognizance some of what they teach is heretical and flawed but we don’t run around saying they are going to hell like ignorant protestant religious zealots do to muslims ,Catholics and mormons
Well the Pope sent an army out to kill him, and even today he is dragged over the coals, and trent cursed us ..... and yes taught that only Catholics could be saved ..The PC Roman church has tapped that down ..but then they teach muslims can be saved to.. makes me think they are clueless on what is necessary for salvation.
Concerning this doctrine the Pope of Vatican I, Pius IX, spoke on two different occasions. In an allocution (address to an audience) on December 9th, 1854 he said:
We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge; we must also, on the other hand, recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest?
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
The rest of your posts reminds of something that I would hear from a fundamentalist religions zelot that scares people away and is afraid of loving someone who differs in their belief
Actually I love people enough to let them hate me in the name of Christ.. all beliefs are not equal all gods are not equal, they do not save.. there are not many roads to heaven..there is one, and it is narrow ... It is Christ.
Not traditions , not good works, not sacrifices, not rosaries
There is a way that seems good to a man, but that leads to hell .