Well John Paul seemed to think it was ok..interesting he would kiss a Koran , that has a false god and catholics call that love, but they hate Luther and the reformers that love the one true God.. just kinnda interesting.
Showing love(what God is)towards others offers the best chance to change hearts of man.
Only if that "love" includes the gospel, otherwise, like John Paul all they have done is convert people to themselves, like John paul did. We know he never presented the gospel because the world loved him, Jesus said the world would hate us
They may accept that love and BE open to the Gospel or may kill you just like many martyrs that have died for love of God, but they cannot ever destroy the love you exuded because it lives on through the witness of our lives even after death
What is the gospel? How can one give what they have never heard?
Until you grasp this you will never understand the strength of love (who God is)
I know the debts of Gods love, because I know how much He loved me when He poured out the wrath I deserve on Christ ...How do catholics know how much God loves them ?
I seem to recall a post by you, saying somethng about "Catholics following their pope into hell." Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes, hate-filled people reap what they sow.
But JPII was a man who tried to live for Christ, and bring others to salvation, by showing Christ's love to the nations. Somehow, I don't think that someone who tries to show God's hate to the Catholics has quite the same power.
RN-””Well John Paul seemed to think it was ok..interesting he would kiss a Koran , that has a false god and catholics call that love, but they hate Luther and the reformers that love the one true God.. just kinnda interesting.””
First of all kissing a book is not a big deal,it’s just a book and if it helps a relationship towards peaceful dialog perhaps good can come out of it
Secondly, we do not hate Luther and the reformers we recognizance some of what they teach is heretical and flawed but we don’t run around saying they are going to hell like ignorant protestant religious zealots do to muslims ,Catholics and mormons
From Dominus Iesus In regards to protestant communities
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
“Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”.
Dominus Iesus in regards to other religions...
“we must believe in no one but God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”.20
For this reason, the distinction between theological faith and belief in the other religions, must be firmly held. If faith is the acceptance in grace of revealed truth, which “makes it possible to penetrate the mystery in a way that allows us to understand it coherently”,21 then belief, in the other religions, is that sum of experience and thought that constitutes the human treasury of wisdom and religious aspiration, which man in his search for truth has conceived and acted upon in his relationship to God and the Absolute.22
This distinction is not always borne in mind in current theological reflection. Thus, theological faith (the acceptance of the truth revealed by the One and Triune God) is often identified with belief in other religions, which is religious experience still in search of the absolute truth and still lacking assent to God who reveals himself. This is one of the reasons why the differences between Christianity and the other religions tend to be reduced at times to the point of disappearance.
The Church’s tradition, however, reserves the designation of inspired texts to the canonical books of the Old and New Testaments, since these are inspired by the Holy Spirit.24 Taking up this tradition, the Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation of the Second Vatican Council states: “For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (cf. Jn 20:31; 2 Tim 3:16; 2 Pet 1:19-21; 3:15-16), they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself”.25 These books “firmly, faithfully, and without error, teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures”.26
Nevertheless, God, who desires to call all peoples to himself in Christ and to communicate to them the fullness of his revelation and love, “does not fail to make himself present in many ways, not only to individuals, but also to entire peoples through their spiritual riches, of which their religions are the main and essential expression even when they contain ‘gaps, insufficiencies and errors’”.27 Therefore, the sacred books of other religions, which in actual fact direct and nourish the existence of their followers, receive from the mystery of Christ the elements of goodness and grace which they contain.
The rest of your posts reminds of something that I would hear from a fundamentalist religions zelot that scares people away and is afraid of loving someone who differs in their belief