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To: kosta50; Mr Rogers; maryz
The Alexandrian Jews did. That's where the Septuagint came from and was used by them canon. Obviously, the Apostles thought they books were canon because none objected to those books being there, just as no one objected to quoting from the Book of Enoch.

Balderdash. Are you now claiming the Apostles considered the Book of Enoch or the "Apocrypha" ss Scripture?

You speak as if there was one Septuagint. Though some Hellenized Jews may have read one or more versions of the Septuagint they were hardly the "Jews".

"The Protestant canon follows the Pharisaical (rabbinic) canon, a sect unto itself that survived..."

Do I understand you to be claiming that the present day Jewish Canon (Torah) of the Orthodox and Reformed Jews is nothing but a surviving sect?

Romans 3:
[1] Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision?
[2] Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews are entrusted with the oracles of God.


5,216 posted on 09/15/2010 2:33:33 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE; kosta50
with the oracles of God.

I did notice he mentioned the Torah but left out the Prophets

5,220 posted on 09/15/2010 2:36:46 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: kosta50
"Though some Hellenized Jews may have read one or more versions of the Septuagint they were hardly the "Jews"."

I guess some Jews were just not Jewish enough. Oy Gevalt!

5,222 posted on 09/15/2010 2:39:35 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: OLD REGGIE

You are correct. Jewish history is clear that the original Septuagint was The Five Books of Moses only. No known copies of the original Septuagint survive.

Some Christians are anxious to claim all old Greek manuscripts as ‘Septuagint’ and claim they were ‘canon’.

Jews were literate folks, of course, and always had translations and commentaries in other languages and these might have been used in synagogues. That doesn’t make the ‘canon’ any more than similar works today are canon.


5,238 posted on 09/15/2010 3:20:12 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: OLD REGGIE; Mr Rogers; maryz
Are you now claiming the Apostles considered the Book of Enoch or the "Apocrypha" ss Scripture?

Yes they did. The Septuagint contained the "Apocrypha" as well and the Septuagint was used as scripture by the Alexandrian Jews as well as by the authors of the New Testament. No one ever dipsuted a single book of the Septuagint.

You speak as if there was one Septuagint. Though some Hellenized Jews may have read one or more versions of the Septuagint they were hardly the "Jews".

The latter copies available to Origen were written in 2nd century AD (mostly by converts or practicing Jews in an attempt to bring it in compliance with the Pharisaical scriptures), long after the Gospels have been written, and certainly way after Paul's Epistles.

I don't know who do you think you are or who gave you the authority to judge who is a Jew and who is not. Essenes were Jews, Sadducees were Jews, Samaritans were Jews, Alexandrian Jews were Jews as far as I know. And so are Orthodox Jews, the Reformed and Conservative Jews...they all share one thing in common: they reject Jesus as the messiah. On everything else they differ.

Do I understand you to be claiming that the present day Jewish Canon (Torah) of the Orthodox and Reformed Jews is nothing but a surviving sect?

Rabbinic Judaism in all its forms is the sole survivor of the Pharisaical sect. The essense, and Sadducees did not make it. The only other survivors are a few hundred Samaritans who still practice Temple Judaism.

Romans 3: [1] Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? [2] Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews are entrusted with the oracles of God.

And your point is?

5,414 posted on 09/15/2010 8:53:26 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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