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To: bkaycee

Corrupted and weakened do not equal TOTAL depravity.


4,570 posted on 09/14/2010 8:39:44 AM PDT by Legatus (From the desire of being esteemed, Deliver me, Jesus.)
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To: Legatus

It’s the whole Calvinist reluctance to acknowledge chiaroscuro.


4,573 posted on 09/14/2010 9:02:56 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Legatus
Total depravity, only means we are unable to choose God freely.

It does not mean that everyone is Hitler or Stalin.

Council of Orange;

The sin of the first man has so impaired and weakened free will that NO ONE thereafter can either love God as he ought or believe in God or do good for God's sake, unless the grace of divine mercy has preceded him.

CANON 13. Concerning the restoration of free will. The freedom of will that was DESTROYED in the first man

4,575 posted on 09/14/2010 9:09:44 AM PDT by bkaycee
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