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To: caww; Mad Dawg

*Belief* in something does not cause it to happen.

Reality is reality whatever someone believes about it.

Essentially, IF the communion elements are actually changed into the literal, actual body and blood of Christ, it’s going to happen whether someone believes it or not, ceremony notwithstanding.

If the communion elements are strictly symbolic, no amount of prayers and masses are going to make it anything other than symbolic. The priest and communicants can believe all they want that it’s being transformed but if it isn’t, it isn’t.


3,921 posted on 09/11/2010 8:09:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

WELL PUT.

THX.


3,929 posted on 09/11/2010 9:02:30 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNATED: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: metmom

I agree...but I also know that when some use the idea that “belief” makes it so it caan get very hairy convincing them otherwise....and I will say this again...the “experience” they have, regardless of the truth of it or not....will get in the way of reality.

We can tear apart wording and what we think an “expereince” might be or not...if one “senses “ anything or not etc.....the idea is they “Believe” it and therefore it is real to them regardless if it is somethign obviously bogus to others.


3,940 posted on 09/12/2010 12:03:04 AM PDT by caww
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To: metmom
*Belief* in something does not cause it to happen.

I never said it did.

Tasting, and seeing do not cause the thing tasted or seen (or whatever.)

3,956 posted on 09/12/2010 4:17:40 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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