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To: Mad Dawg

Well when the Pope makes something like the Nostra Aetate official doctrine it shows that he has trouble distinguishing what other groups worship.

So that means either the pope who made this doctrine and the church members that proposed this can not discern evil when he/they see it or he/they do worship the same beast as the muslims do.

That makes him either falliable at discernment or just as evil as the muslims.

Please don’t start making excuses that the muslims worship the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob just in the wrong way.
The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob does not play dirty tricks on people to get them to murder others .

The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob does not write two exact opposite books and the koran is the exact opposite of the Bible . Every thing that is Holy in the Bible is considered a blasphemy in the koran , everything that is holy in the koran is a BLASPHEMY in the Bible.

Again I say the God of Abraham , Issac and Jacob is no deceiver and he does not play dirty tricks on me to get them to sin and do evil .

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:


1,209 posted on 09/02/2010 11:44:45 PM PDT by Lera
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To: Lera
Oh my.

That makes him either falliable at discernment or just as evil as the muslims.

There is no doctrine among Catholics that a pop cannot err. He is only infallible in certain fairly clearly defined situations.

An encyclical carries great weight -- and in fact I happen to agree with this one, but it is not necessarily an exercise of the charism of infallibility. One could, even a Catholic could (but he'd better have some really good reasons) dispute parts of the encyclical without questioning papal infallibility. Your arguments against the doctrine of infallibility might be more effective if they were directed against what we actually teach.

Please don’t start making excuses that the muslims worship the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob just in the wrong way.

I haven't started making excuses, so I can't stop. I will endeavor to continue to refrain from making excuses.

It seems to me that someone can go to New York and spend all his time below 4th street and east of Lexington Avenue. He will have an opinion of Manhattan which will be correct in some respects, but he won't have experienced Times Square.

Another person can go to NY and do the whole city from Harlem to the Battery. He will have seen the Met and the Museum of Natural History and MOMA and the theatre district and St. Patrick's and on and on and on.

One will say, New York is basically a slum with a few big buildings for rich people. The other will say, "Wow! The museums! The orchestras! The parks! it's an amazing place.

Both are talking about the same city. One is dreadfully wrong, and that wrongness could have dreadful consequences. The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob does not play dirty tricks on people to get them to murder others .

1,215 posted on 09/03/2010 4:51:44 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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