Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Based on many of the posts they are cultists who don’t even bother with a disguise. They scream and shriek and say that that is their proof that they are the elect. They prove nothing but what they lack. They are much like the pharisees.
I guess if Calvin came up with Trinitarian theology all by his lonesome, it can be whatever he wishes it to be.
"Of God and Of the Trinity" reads like some Orthodox Catholic cut and paste, then put on top of the rest with the god of double-predestined Calvinism… Whew. Good luck with making that rhyme.
Christ's church is slandered here daily by Romanist superstitions and pagan beliefs in "another Christ" and "co-redeemers."
There's not much that is more "slanderous" than that.
I agree it isn’t a debate.
That's it! God is Sybil! They are INDIVIDUALS each with a DIFFERENT role in the Godhead
Multiple personality God. Sounds positively schizophrenic.
READ YOUR BIBLE
You find Triniarian theology in the Bible?
And how I praise Him for that!
Titus 2:11-14
11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Regarding the Trinity, I wonder how comfortable Roman Catholics are with being on the same side of the discussion as a self-proclaimed agnostic?
AMEN! “The peace of God which passeth all understanding.”
Why would anyone tell lies like that?
Regarding the Trinity, I’m very comfortable.
Maybe you haven’t witnessed this, but it’s happens quite often.
When a Roman Catholic cannot defend his position from Scripture, he alludes to various church fathers from antiquity onward to bolster his anti-Scriptural opinions.
I’ve studied monasticism. Perhaps not to your satisfaction, but your satisfaction is of no concern to me or to the truth.
Christ did not elevate the monastic life. He elevated marriage.
Rome doesn’t like that fact because Rome likes monasticism; men being men with other men, alone. With men. Manly. Kind of.
How’s that working for them?
And for the umpteenth time, Protestants agree with that statement.
Not all of them. The Reformed, for instance, do not believe that they are Judged. They say things like "Christ is Judged" which flies in the face of Scripture - Jesus, Peter, Paul, John and James. Kosta has done yeoman's work posting the relevant verses to you over the last day from throughout the NT and you still make statements like this.
Our difference with Rome is that while Rome believes men are judged according to their own good works (thus RCs can say with certainty Mother Teresa is saved by her charity even though she did not believe in Jesus Christ,) Protestants believe we are judged according to Christ's righteousness, mercifully imputed to us by God's grace through faith.
See? Perhaps you were not paying attention yet again. Your statement of the Catholic position is incorrect; your statement of the Protestant position (there is actually no single Protestant position) is Biblically and proveably in error.
Let us examine 1 Thessalonians 1:6 And you became imitators 3 of us and of the Lord, receiving the word in great affliction, with joy from the holy Spirit, 7 so that you became a model for all the believers in Macedonia and in Achaia. 8 For from you the word of the Lord has sounded forth not only in Macedonia and (in) Achaia, but in every place your faith in God has gone forth, so that we have no need to say anything. 9 For they themselves openly declare about us what sort of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God 10 and to await his Son from heaven, whom he raised from (the) dead, Jesus, who delivers us from the coming wrath.
Paul is once again telling his flock to imitate him in his imitation of Christ - and what is that wrath? Hell everlasting. How does Christ deliver us? By offering His grace to us. You are using this as proof of some sort of limousine ticket to salvation and it isn't. Without Jesus, we are told that we will be condemned. With Jesus, we may attain Salvation. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus will be Judged in our place. Nowhere.
How do Roman Catholics trust Christ's word never to let them go if they believe their own righteousness will save them?
Your Johannine verses means that nobody can pull you away from salvation. Yet, we have this:
Matthew 12: 31 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit 22 will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
If your sin cannot be forgiven, you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. So I don't care if you think that your salvation is assured (contrary to scores of Bible verses anyway), if you commit that unpardonable sin your salvation is lost. Now, unless you believe that somehow you cannot commit that unpardonable sin, we have just outlined a method for losing one's salvation, do you agree?
Luke 12: 31 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit 22 will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Luke agrees with Matthew and that is the Church's position.
Mark 3: 28 Amen, I say to you, all sins and all blasphemies that people utter will be forgiven them. 29 But whoever blasphemes against the holy Spirit 11 will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an everlasting sin."
Wow. All three Synoptic Gospels say the same thing. Where is your OSAS now?
We refuse to let you guys redefine the Faith that comes to us from the Apostles. My own personal and self generated righteousness will not save me; neither will anyone else's. Catholicism has never claimed that. You are wrong again.
Christ is God Almighty and is everything that we need. But if we refuse Him, then we suffer the consequences. If we rewrite and remove the Gospel message (so popular with many children of the Reformation), then we suffer the consequences.
Welcome to polytheism Calvinist style! God the Father is "conferencing" with the Son and the Spirit! I used to think they were Triniatrian Christian (at least in theory). Now I suspect they may be cultists in disguise.
No disguise. This forum has been excellent for them to show themselves as they really are. It is as I said several years back - they have varying ideas of the Trinity, and many of those ideas are directly heretical.
Not persons. Hypostais is not a "person." Modalism comes form the Latin mistranslation of Greek into persona, which in Latin means a mask. Thus, some Latin Chirtsians believed God was merely carrying different masks as he revealed himself. Unfortunately, western Christianity never corrected the mistranslation and so "persona" became a theatrical term in English, while the Greek term hypostasis became a "person."
Literally, hypostasis (sub+stasis) means something that stands on its own, i.e. sub-stantia, something that exists on its own, in Greek o ΩΝ (literaly the existence), a self existing or hypostatic reality. There is no personality imputed or implied in it. It's an insult to God to call him a schizophrenic deity, a multiple personality God.
Of course, Latin managed to complicate things further by (illogically) incorrectly translating ousia into substantia (or substance, matter), further corruption the concepts, especially given the fact that ousia in Greek means essence or nature and not necessarily matter.
If you had, you'd realize your pronouncements on it, even your description of what it is and what monastics do is false. You call blind and useless some of the greatest contributors to growth and history of Christianity. It's just ignorant.
When someone keeps proclaiming something that shows their ignorance of the subject, it does no good to proclaim it again or excuse it again.
This goes for monastics and for "what Rome teaches" alike.
It only illustrates a willful ignorance and then a pride in willful ignorance.
There's no credibility. There's no there there in discussion. It's not possible to have a discussion with someone who is just lobbing the same grenades over and over and hoping to injure somebody somewhere, this time.
Everyone doe snot. At leats I am cosnistent. :)
I'm ashamed that I know the reference...
(Also note even Pius XII says "according to the will of God" she was chosen, and not according to "the will of Christ," as some here have wrongly stated.)
Is there anything in that comment you wish to revise?
Which RC can say that?
Both Jesus and Paul teach us that it can be good to renounce marriage for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven.
Thanks for posting the scripture along with your opinion because it proves your opinion false.Jesus does not say "it can be good to renounce marriage."
He says that those unfortunate men who were castrated or born deformed were not to be criticized because they couldn't marry.
You're kidding right? Jesus says that some have renounced marriage for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Right there. Do the Reformed not have this entire verse in their edited Bibles? How did you miss it?
Rome not only bows down to the stock of a tree, Rome bows down before statues of dead human beings which is specifically forbidden by God's commandments.
Don't like Paul's writings on the cross? Tough. Don't like what the Bible teaches on relics? Tough. We don't reject the Bible - the children of the Reformation do, in portions. We keep the whole canon of Scripture as the Church decreed in multiple councils beginning back 1700 years ago.
No wonder Rome is rife with homosexuals and pederasts.
You keep posting on sexual matters. Does it thrill you? This is supposed to be a religious forum. We are called on to imitate Christ - to act to others exactly as Christ acted, not to imitate Chris Matthews getting a thrill up his leg.
And STILL Roman Catholics are blind to the truth, preferring their own superstitions to the word of God.
The truth? One of our bishops just visited the United Kingdom, welcoming people back into the Church. The Catholic bishops are putting the Christian band back together. That phone book cult with phoney and repellant preaching is going to look mighty small in another few years as the people die off without having children enough to replace themselves, and more and more of the people leave.
You prate of the Trinitarian God and have lectured people on Him; yet you display a very non Christian god and a lack of understanding of the Trinity. Kosta is correct. You guys do not have a very good understanding of Christianity at all.
Regarding any revisions, have you followed the discussion to see that Judith Ann insists "Christ chose Mary to be his mother?"
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