Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The first limbus patrum IS NOTdoctrine.
Nonsense. Human dignity is the result of Christ's covering -- His dignity His righteousness; His obedience, mercifully imputed to His children.
Roman Catholics think their church and their own good works save them.
Protestants believe God's unearned gift of grace through faith in Jesus Christ saves them.
Who boasts?
My tail is wagging, so it’s fine with me. 8~)
We experience our sanctification by the Holy Spirit.
But our justification is a work of God according to the free gift of Christ's atonement of our sins.
Rome and to a lesser degree Arminians confuse and mingle sanctification with justification. But they are two separate actions of God, each for a specific purpose.
God, the Father, elects.
God, Christ the Son, justifies and redeems.
God, the Holy Spirit, sanctifies and enables repentance, obedience and faith.
Plus, I am familiar with your statements on once being Catholic. I'm sorry you either had a poor catechisis, or completely misunderstood it. I have also seen your posts on other threads. It is hard for me to give you any credence on anything Catholic.
Also, I don't think you post in good faith or are an honest person. I have said a prayer for you and the others. It's the best I can do for those that mouth the words but have no love in their hearts.
“...He responded, “Well did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.’ You disregard God's commandment but cling to human tradition.”
Mark 7:6-8
I still pray you and the others give up your rebellion against Christ.
Then I'm afraid you are sorely lacking in MDRI.
Imaginary and worse, it’s malicious nonsense. The hope for the dead was the resurection from death not spending time in limbo.
If “... limbo essentially is theologically used to mean I dont know,...then read the Scriptures instead of the councils and Church “fathers”.
If we endure to the end we show we are saved.
Once God has forgiven our sins, He remembers them no more. (Hebrews 10.)
"Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." -- Romans 4:6-8 "I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake." -- 1 John 2:12
Our sins are not forgiven because we stop sinning. We sin every day. Our sins are forgiven because Christ has paid for every one of them and God remembers them no more.
So therefore Christians should not think they are spending their time trying to earn heaven, but instead they "work to show themselves approved." They work to illustrate the miracle of God's grace already within them. The good fruit comes from God who made men to differ.
8~)
Did he say to work TO BE SAVED?No He did not..this letter was written to the saved.. it was instruction on HOW TO WALK out their salvation not how to be saved
What did Paul tell them about their walk?
Phl 2:12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
Scripture interprets itself with its constancy
Hbr 13:20 ¶ Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Hbr 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever.
2Cr 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God;
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
It is God that works in us to do HIS will ...and that is the reassurance that Paul was giving the saved church.. we humans may be fearful and tremble if we are left to ourselves..but fear not as it is God that works His will in you
It is so sad that Cathoics look at the word of God as a paste and copy job instead of reading what it really says
I think you meant Heb 10:26 not 36
Now really read this in the context of the message to the Hebrews
Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
This is a passage that Catholics really need to rake to heart..
It is a warning to members of the church, not become apostate and try to return to the jewish practices because the last sacrifice for sin, the one that FULFILLED the type was Jesus Christ.. there could be no more temple sacrifices for their sin as the final sacrifice had been offered..
Please remember that as one view "the sacrifice of the mass"
There are no more sacrifices that are pleasing to God
AMEN
Or doesnt this mean anything?
IMPRIMATUR New York, April 6, 1885. John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York. Baltimore, April 6, 1885. "The Catechism ordered by The Third Plenary Council of Baltimore, having been diligently compared and examined, is hereby approved." + James Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Apostolic Delegate.
Was the baltimore catechism false teaching??
Amen. And yes, Alex, it's very tricky. 8~)
I was well taught and was actually a leader in my diocese. Then one day the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to the grace of God ... I wanted to stay catholic, I had ministries I loved, friends I loved and some degree of"position ". My family kept talking to me about tradition .
But one by one God showed me the errors in Catholic doctrine and eventually I had to leave if i was to be true to God and myself
Is that what you truly think?
PS, you are not ALLOWING Catholics to do anything. You have no control over anyone's Catholicism, except perhaps to drive us more deeply into our faith.
LOL ....that says it all
“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that ENDURETH TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED” (emphasis mine).
It really has nothing to do with earning but with faithfulness, as Paul said at Heb. 10:38,39 even the righteous must be constant in their faith and not shrink back or they would lose God's favor to their destruction.
Again salvation was conditioned upon their continued endurance and not “shrinking back” in unfaithfulness.
Nonsense. Human dignity is the result of Christ's covering -- His dignity His righteousness; His obedience, mercifully imputed to His children.
The loss of "human dignity" is reflected in Adam and eve trying to cover their nakedness.. that was a dignity of THEIR own making .. then they did what all the naked do after trying to make themselves dignified.. they ran and hid from God.
God had to call them and make them come out of hiding..just as He does with all the elect..then He covered them with.the flesh and blood of an animal , to symbolize that our nakedness before God only has dignity when Christ is put on
The sin of Adam and Eve made us all totally unable to do anything but try to cover ourselves and then run from the God of creation..
There is no dignity in sinful man , the only dignity we have is found in Christ
Psa 44:8 In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah.
Yes, consider how easy it is to participate in the Eucharist in a Catholic Church.
Ted Krennedy? OK.
John Kerry? OK.
Witch? OK.
Clown? OK.
Those nasty Baptists had the nerve to question you on your faith. Shame on them.
I wouldn't disagree. The issue isn't what God is. Rather the issue is what man is. God is love. Man hates this love:
God is perfect, beauty, love, peace, etc. All those very good quality we crave. Yet unbelievers don't really want them. They do the very thing that is against the nature of God-against perfect love, perfect peace, perfect joy. And as believers were not much different. All we have to do is look in a mirror to understand that while we desire these characteristics of God, it is difficult for us to practice them.
It is because of this very principle that God calls men "wicked", "evil", and "perverse". Men are at eminity with God. I don't understand how anyone can read the OT, especiall the Psalms and not understand this. Here is but a small sample:
Psa 5:8-9 Lead me, O LORD, in your righteousness because of my enemies; make your way straight before me. For there is no truth in their mouth; their inmost self is destruction; their throat is an open grave; they flatter with their tongue.
Psa 7:10-11 My shield is with God, who saves the upright in heart. God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day.
God is love. Man hates this love. That is the problem.
You forgot Pelosi
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