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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Religion Moderator
"Pathological"

Not only is that a personal insult, but it implies motive or mind set. Clearly outside the rules you profess to know so well and are so quick to enforce on others.

4,661 posted on 09/14/2010 12:44:33 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Paul was murdering Christians when God "forced Himself" on him.

He did not force Paul to love Him or to follow Him or evangelize. He asked him a question, basically, "what are you doing?"

That's what it takes to turn us from our own reflection to the face of God

If that face of God is hateful, no real love can follow.

If you think you are doing the turning, you are detracting from the grace that belongs to God alone.

If you think no one can repent, then Jesus was wasting His breath.

4,662 posted on 09/14/2010 12:44:40 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50

Make that seven ecumenical, or church-widecouncils.


4,663 posted on 09/14/2010 12:44:51 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Typical, is what it is.


4,664 posted on 09/14/2010 12:45:53 PM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
what if you stated "that is love--- that mary takes a sinner and turns his eyes from self to Christ for no other reason that it pleases Her to do so." Is that acceptable Catholic theology?

indeed, we are told this in all of the Roman's church's writings about Mary. Whereas God the Father is relegated to the retirement bin.

4,665 posted on 09/14/2010 12:48:40 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: metmom
"You know, with all the links and sources showing official church statements (like that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church), and for any other teaching that former or ex-Catholics call the church on and you guys vehemently deny, when you guys keep telling us that we’re wrong about doctrinal things that make the church look bad, you guys come off looking a bit silly.:

There is a simple solution. Rather than take your input from dubious sources, poorly Catechized individual, anecdotes and snippets and quips from online dialog you should seek out the Church itself and attend classes. You can always reject the teachings later, but at least you would be making an eyes open, informed decision.

4,666 posted on 09/14/2010 12:49:00 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: metmom
Well, we think the Church is Christ's body. I have never heard anyone say that faith in the Church saved.

As it is faith in HIM which results in salvation

I would say that faith in Him is a gift He gives in His Grace and it is His grace which conducts us to salvation.

The Grace "causes" the gift of Faith, the Faith, is the substance of things hoped for, that is an early taste of the promised salvation; and the evidence of things not seen, that is the gift which testifies to the as yet unseen salvation.

4,667 posted on 09/14/2010 12:49:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; 1000 silverlings
My expectation, should you and I meet before the throne, is that, because I am full of myself, I will babble on at length about all the stuff I didn't know that turned out to be true. You will finally shut me up and say, "You know, Mary IS more than I thought, praise God."

Much more likely it will be you who says ""You know, Mary is less than I thought, praise God, and that is because God is more than I thought."

In fact, it wouldn't hurt to proclaim that right this minute, as Scripture instructs.

I think the boldness with which we approach Him will not be compromised by the detailedness of our understanding of the role saints and angels and little old ladies (of either sex) have played in our Salvation.

You should hope so.

4,668 posted on 09/14/2010 12:51:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: maryz; Mr Rogers
Maybe I missed something -- who has argued that logic is adequate to bring us to God? Or that human reason is not fallen and imperfect?

And who argues that logic and reason are the same thing?

Bring that sucker out here!

4,669 posted on 09/14/2010 12:51:51 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Pyro7480

Revisionism.


4,670 posted on 09/14/2010 12:52:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; D-fendr
"Some are condemned and some are acquitted."

But none so until the moment of their death.

4,671 posted on 09/14/2010 12:52:17 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I am simply talking about God's foreknowledge.

And you can't get to double predestination from there.

How do you presume to change this fact? You can't. What God foreknows will come to pass.

Knowing what choices I will make and making those choices for me are two different things.

The Calvinist knows that no man's will is "free." Men are either slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness, and that end has been declared by God from the beginning.

Yes, all is moot then. We are unwitting actors, reality is an illusion.

If God wanted all men to be saved, all men would be saved. He's God. He gets what He wants.Then we have to assume He wanted humans to have free will. A side benefit of this is love is possible, and life has meaning, we have choices, our choices matter. Perhaps God created more than a cruel play.

Some are condemned and some are acquitted. Do you deny this is true?

I tend to reject the lawyer Calvin's courtroom analogies. Some go to heaven, some to hell. And God is a just judge.

4,672 posted on 09/14/2010 12:52:45 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Mad Dawg
I think you were just hit with the theological version of “have you stopped beating your wife?”
4,673 posted on 09/14/2010 12:53:30 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Is that all you’re going to say, or are you going to explain your view?


4,674 posted on 09/14/2010 12:54:49 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: wmfights

It’s just a little ridiculous to suggest that JPII kept his disagreement with Islam to himself, or that the visiting Muslims thought he agreed with them. You know, Dante has Mohammad in the circle of heretics eternally tortured. It’s hard for me to imagine that this is not known in the lands which moan under their abominable yoke.


4,675 posted on 09/14/2010 12:54:57 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Trembling and astonished." And "blinded for three days," to boot. Doesn't sound very gentle to me.

So all I have to do to make you love me is hit you with a two by four and poke your eyes out.

This is far from the end of Paul's story.

4,676 posted on 09/14/2010 12:55:00 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Quix
He asked him a question, basically, "what are you doing

um, no. God knocked him flat off his horse in blinding light,and rung his bell, leaving him blind until God let him see.. Then He said "Why are you persecuting Me?

So who was Paul "persecuting" exactly? By all accounts he was stoning men, women and children or beating them in synagoques. So why did Jesus say ME.

It was because these people were Christ's church, way long before Rome made a claim to it.

4,677 posted on 09/14/2010 12:56:59 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

When the blind insist that they see, there is no need for me to take their claims too seriously.


4,678 posted on 09/14/2010 12:57:05 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: D-fendr
If you think no one can repent, then Jesus was wasting His breath.

The ability and will and desire to repent, like all good things, comes from God.

"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth" -- 2 Timothy 2:25

Paul was slaughtering Christians. God threw him to the ground, caused him to tremble and then blinded him.

That is love. That God did not leave Paul in his sins, but grabbed hold of him in his darkness and turned him to the light of Christ.

As with Paul, so it is with all God's children.

Thank God.

4,679 posted on 09/14/2010 12:59:01 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 1000 silverlings
So who was Paul "persecuting" exactly? By all accounts he was stoning men, women and children or beating them in synagoques. So why did Jesus say ME.

It was because these people were Christ's church, way long before Rome made a claim to it.

AMEN!

4,680 posted on 09/14/2010 1:00:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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