Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Dr. Eckleburg]

These different "Visions", as Sowell calls them, are irreconcilable.

Boy, is that the truth.

If we presuppose that man is "reasonable" by nature, we will always err on the side of attributing to man what belongs to God alone.

"Unless we have divine teaching to enlighten us, our own reason will beget nothing but mere vanity...What madness it is to embrace nothing but what commends itself to human reason! What authority will God's word have if it is not admitted any farther than we are inclined to receive it?" -- John Calvin

The joke is that Rome fancies itself founded upon "reason" when, in fact, it is riddled with superstition and fallacy because it departs so drastically from the word of God.

[Cronos]

No, it may read that he believes that it was a product of once-dead demons come back as zombies pretending to be aliens from outer space.

[Cronos]

QUix: ,”[in the past] bioengineering all the religious greats of history—FOR SOCIAL ENGINEERING PURPOSES—including Jesus

reads as "In the past the demons posing as aliens bio-engineered all the religious greats of history -- for social engineering purposes -- including Jesus.

Evidently the Quix group believes that JEsus, Buddha, Mohammed, MAhavira, Krishna were all bio-engineered by zombie demons posing as aliens..

[Cronos]

nicely put:
I don't believe, as the people quoted in the newspaper article you linked to, that Mary appeared *in* a stain (nor am I in any way required to by my Church). However, if I believed the world of Quix's, this would be a trifle, an angel could do it without breaking a sweat.

Yet this type is singled out for ridicule, for obvious disbelief and "superstition" by one who has angels, fallen ones, performing all sorts of bizarre feats and "holographic technology."

If you are agreeing with the plausibility of the angel/demon/ET/UFO/bioengineering/3-D holographic world, then the same challenge applies to you. If fallen angels can do all this, then it should be no problem for God to institute the Holy Eucharist as the Church has always held.

[Cronos]

Quix: I certainly do NOT believe that they bioengineered Jesus! Sheesh!

Shoot, humans are doing that, now.


Oh, so now aliens didn't bio-engineer Jesus, but humans are doing that now? From trace DNA elements?

[Cronos]

Quix: Evidently at least one class of ‘greys’ are biological robots housing demons . . . that purportedly ‘live’ about a year and a half.

Oh, so now aliens are not directly demons pretending to be aliens or even zombie demons pretending to be aliens, but demonic created biological robots that use these robotic aliens as transportation?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I certainly agree that there must be some Roman Catholics whose hearts are filled with Christ alone.

But Rome works to thwart that goal. All RCs are told they must believe in the RC catechism and in that catechism we find profound error regarding Mary...

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first moment of her conception (RC catechism 490-492.)

Mary lived a sinless life (RC catechism 411, 493.)

Mary is the mother of God (RC catechism 963, 971, 2677.)

Mary is the mother of the church (RC catechism 963, 975.)

Mary is the co-redeemer because she participated with Christ in the redeeming the entire world (RC catechism 618, 964, 968, 970.)

Mary was assumed bodily into heaven at her death (RC catechism 966, 974.)

Mary is the mediator to whom we can entrust all our worries and prayers (RC catechism 968-970, 2677.)

We should surrender ourselves wholly to Mary "at the hour of our death." (RC catechism 2677.)

Mary is Queen of heaven and earth (RC catechism 966, 971, 2675.)

These things a Roman Catholic MUST believe and some of them are complete idolatry. We're all sinners and we all grieve God daily. But this kind of blindness is almost incomprehensible to anyone with a Bible and the ability to read.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Whether Quix or anyone believes in aliens matters little to me in discussions of theology. It's a free world and there's lots of things to think about.

What matters is what Quix thinks about Christ and His Lordship and about God and His plan of salvation.

On that, Quix is ahead of just about every Roman Catholic on the planet.

[Cronos]

Oh, you can read the details at the link on page 109 why the Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott says that Satan has won his war of attrition against the one true Gospel in the OPC (113). and The OPC long ago ceased to proclaim the one true Gospel to the exclusion of all false gospels (115). and The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has abandoned the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ (118).

Why does a former ruling elder of the OPC say that? Well, he gives his reasons in his book about the heresy that he believes the OPC is following and urging every OPCer to leave. You can read it too if you want -- and if you disagree with him, he's given his posting and email address in the book. Enjoy.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Jesus was bio-engineered by aliens...

That's not what he said, although it makes for some colorful squeals on your part.

You keep right on fighting those straw men. One of these days you're bound to knock one over.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I can’t read that on my computer. You’ll have to read it and explain it to us, lest we conclude you’re just cutting and pasting from a review of a book you haven’t read.

[Cronos]

Oh and he also writes

If you are still in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church— whether you are a minister, elder, deacon, or general member— and you are still loyal to the unique authority of God’s Word, and to the one true Gospel the Bible proclaims, then it is time for you to “come out from among them, and be separate” (2 Corinthians 6:17) (118, 119).

Now this is pretty good proof of the splitting nature of the various heresies -- the OPC has already split TWICE into the BPC and the EPC and they are only 28,000 people as of 2005 and still showing a downward trend in adherents, Their own website http://opc.org/GA/73rd_GA_rpt_topical.html says":

In 2005 three congregations withdrew from the OPC to join the Presbyterian Church in America, one of which was a rather large congregation, resulting in a net loss of members for the OPC in 2005. The membership of the OPC has remained at about 28,000 for more than two years, which is a cause of concern.

With these books by the Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott, one can see the further splitting of the OPC or a reunion of the OPC into the PCUSA...

Read the books:
#A Denomination in Denial: An Evaluation of the Report of the Committee to Study the Doctrine of Justification of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church,

#Christianity and Neo-Liberalism: The Spiritual Crisis in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and Beyond
It should help you, as the author says to “come out from among them, and be separate” (2 Corinthians 6:17) (118, 119).

[roamer_1]

Ok, but roamer says that that is wrong (not the pastor sleeping :), but the celebrating on Sunday. If you agree with him, why do you not change it then?

That is not what I said - Kindly quit putting words in my mouth.

I said the Sabbath IS the seventh day. I said the Roman church presumed (wrongly) to change the Sabbath to Sunday.

I said it is a grievous error to observe the Roman church instead of what God the Father ordained.

I observe the Sabbath. Do you even know what that means?

But I still go to church on Sunday, just as Iscool must - No day is prohibited for celebrating Christ, for gathering together to worship... But the Sabbath is still the Sabbath:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

(e-Sword: KJV)

[Cronos]

Really? you can't read why the Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott says that Satan has won his war of attrition against the one true Gospel in the OPC (113). and The OPC long ago ceased to proclaim the one true Gospel to the exclusion of all false gospels (115). and The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has abandoned the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ (118).

It's in a simple pdf format. Or, you can always pop down to your nearest Presbyterian bookstore and read the hard copy version

[roamer_1]

Oops! ping.

[Cronos]

Really? you can't read why the Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott says that Satan has won his war of attrition against the one true Gospel in the OPC (113). and The OPC long ago ceased to proclaim the one true Gospel to the exclusion of all false gospels (115). and The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has abandoned the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ (118).

It's in a simple pdf format. Or, you can always pop down to your nearest Presbyterian bookstore and read the hard copy version. It's called

A Denomination in Denial: An Evaluation of the Report of the Committee to Study the Doctrine of Justification of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, by Paul M. Elliott. Westminster, Maryland: Teaching the Word, 2006. Pp. 130. $8.95 (paper).

[Dr. Eckleburg]

That is amazing since most of the non catholic posters on this thread do not believe in the divinity of Jesus...

lolol.

Please name them.

If you can't come up with any "non catholic posters on this thread" who do "not believe in the divinity of Jesus," we will be forced to conclude your comment is...how shall I say it? An error by ignorance or design?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I don’t have adobe reader.

You continue to simply post PR blurbs about the book.

What is Elliott’s specific beef with the OPC so we can discuss it?

Have you not read the book? Do you not know what you’re talking about?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

When you figure out what Elliott is talking about, let us know. No one’s going to do your homework for you.

[Cronos]

Well then, you are wrong, sir, The Church did not change Sabbath to Sunday, that has never been claimed -- what HAS been done since AD 60 is to celebrate, to worship was done on Sunday. The Church celebrates on Sunday as Christ did.

Around the years 80–90, Christians were thrown out of the synagogues. This may have provided further stimulus for Christians to change their worship from Sabbath to Sunday. The apostle John wrote his gospel in this same time frame, significant because it provided for Christians an explanation of how God could change an "everlasting" law. John wrote how the world had been symbolically created anew in Jesus. One implication of this is that with the passion, death, and resurrection of Christ one eternity had ended and another had begun. God could therefore abrogate an everlasting law and still not contradict himself.

In Paul’s letter to the Romans, written around 57–58, he says, "For one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. Whoever observes the day observes it to the Lord" (Rom. 14:5–6). The apostle is speaking here about the day which is being observed to the Lord, i.e., the day of worship. He notes that this is up to each person to decide. It must be noted, however, that Paul does not specifically mention the Sabbath here.

In the year 110—only twelve years after the death of the last apostle—Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, calls the Sabbath "antiquated." The full passage of the letter of Ignatius to the Magnesians, reads: "Do not be led astray by other doctrines nor by old fables which are worthless. For if we have been living by now according to Judaism, we must confess that we have not received grace. The prophets . . . who walked in ancient customs came to a new hope, no longer Sabbatizing but living by the Lord’s day, on which we came to life through Him and through His death."

In Syria, following the death of the last apostle, a guide for the teaching of Christians was written called the "Doctrine of the Apostles," or the Didache. The Didache taught: "On the Lord’s own day, gather together and break bread." This is a clear reference invoking Christians to worship on Sunday written around the year 100.

Justin Martyr confirmed the non-issue of Sunday worship in 150, writing: "On Sunday, we meet to celebrate the Lord’s supper and read the Gospels and Sacred Scripture, the first day on which God changed darkness, and made the world, and on which Christ rose from the dead." It is worth pointing out that the unity of intent in the writings of the apostolic fathers speaks to the worldwide acceptance of Sunday worship between 100–150.

In her book Cosmic Conflict, published in 1844, Seventh-Day Adventist prophetess Ellen White argues that the early Christian Church became apostate at the time of the decree of Constantine (p. 551–554). This opinion is refuted by current scholarship even from Seventh-Day Adventists. S. Bacchiocchi, a leading sabbatarian SDA scholar, writes in From Sabbath to Sunday (1997) that the change in worship days began around the year 60

My error was due to your insistence that The Church changed Sabbath -- which is a wrong statement in the first place, we did not change Sabbath, we now worshipped on the Lord's Day, the first day of the week, Sunday