Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
It wasn’t being done in the parish I attended 30 years ago, although that probably has changed now.
Always? This is a very long thread, you're late to the party. The discussion of guidelines was brought up last night and the moderator engaged in it, proposed changes for consideration and discussion. That discussion has become part of this thread.
The other discussions are still ongoing if you would like to participate in them instead of this one.
Thanks for your comments.
No, I don’t deny the Trinity nor the divinity of Christ.
But that doesn’t really answer the questions.
Don’t forget this verse....
Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Sounds pretty secure to me.
Well you believe in one but not the other, I believe in both, most people don't believe in either. What I mean by transubstantiation is comparable to what I mean by being born again, afterwards both the Bread and the person look like they did before even though they are changed. Therefore they are comparable, see, I just made the comparison.
Please let us know how we Catholics may achieve more substance. It seems nearly impossible to me.
Good answer. That answers all the questions at once.
Individuals may vary, but there is one Catechism.
A dodge.
Nope. The bishop of a diocese could not excommunicate if there was not one set of rules.
Didn't think I addressed all Catholics.
As always. Not a problem at all. :-)
There are one or two differences between transubstantiation and being “born again.”
When one is born again, one is still oneself, and retains one’s identity. One becomes a “new creation,” but Legatus is still Legatus and sitetest is still sitetest.
When the sacrament is confected, the elements of bread and wine cease to exist. What is on the altar is now the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Only the accidents (the appearances, not the reality of the thing) remain bread and wine. Thus, bread is no longer bread and wine is no longer wine.
There is certainly an analogy here, but it's not quite the same.
sitetest
The comparison is in the word “transubstantiate” . If you understand what is meant by “substance” in this usage, it means it can change or transform without anything detectible by the senses.
Only a very diehard materialist would argue otherwise.
Yes, the Holy Eucharist is a great change is substance - a supernatural event. However I cannot imagine a religion in an sense of the word that does not believe in something supernatural.
I agree. Many appear to have abandoned this forum and even this site. I find it to be most distressing.
Thomas was not condemned by Jesus Himself for that, but rather Jesus offered Thomas the chance to do so.
Jesus offered many convincing proofs that He was raised from the dead.
Acts 1:3 After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.
No. We’re just looking for evidence that the wafer is human flesh and blood, as claimed.
Assuming you followed the recent posts on transubstantiation, what evidence would you expect and accept?
Very well. Please tell me how as a Catholic I can achieve more substance on this forum.
Please notice I wrote “I repeat, in a VERY loose sense.” I don’t want anyone getting the idea my Eucharistic theology is unsound.
Oh wait! If there are only Catholics on this thread who believe in the Divinity of Jesus , the Bible and the white hankies then why would the unwashed care if the rapture and Antichrist come to enslave them?
Will the rapture come with its own rap music and proper rappers to usher us all to heaven?
What needs to happen in the spirit of truthful advertising is for all the unwashed non-catholics to categorically state what they do or do not believe in the spiritual realm We need a scorecard of every-ones beliefs since this is becoming confusing.
God bless us all
Yes, I think that is the real loss.
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