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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
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| 8/27/10
| Reginald Firehammer
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Cronos; bronx2
no longer have the power to burn them at the stake
You mean like what happened to Michael Servetus, the Unitarian who was burnt at the stake by Calvin?
Certainly. I make no excuses for cruelty practiced by the so-called "Religious". Do you?
1,141
posted on
09/02/2010 2:24:35 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: Cronos; Natural Law; D-fendr
uh-uh, there's a difference between "So, group X such as yourself do not believe in... ?" --> which I notice you haven't yet answered as to why the Unitarian group members such as you would not believe in the Trinity.
Is English your native language?
FYI there is no such thing as a "Unitarian group member".
1,142
posted on
09/02/2010 2:29:50 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: OLD REGGIE
In modern times, say in the past century or so, I don't condone any violence. What happened in the 16th century is well, a different thing --> we can't judge them by our standards.
Similarly, I think what Cromwell did to the Irish Catholics or what happened to Catholics in England or what happened to them in Poland under the Germans was historical, was bad, but well, it happened. I will not blame modern day Protestants for what happened then -- I do not even blame under 50 year old Germans for what happened in Poland in WWII, you can't.
1,143
posted on
09/02/2010 2:32:12 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Quix
Regardless . . . Ive long had a habit of seeking out whatever truth there might be in even off the wall accusations from even crazy folks who cross my path. After all, God used some pretty strange critterseven a donkeyin Scripture times.
But did the donkey use multi-colored text? And talking about crazy folks....
1,144
posted on
09/02/2010 2:34:21 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Quix
I know the coding by heart. Just couldn't get it to work.
I knew very well you knew. You do it all the time.
It's just that I thought you might have slipped into a different consciousness and was "speaking in tongues".
1,145
posted on
09/02/2010 2:35:03 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: bkaycee; bronx2
You do realise that there is no “alone” in God’s plan —> God performed miracles in different ways. The only ALONE is we in The Church believe in ONE God a Triune God (so then technically God is not “alone”). What is necessary is Grace AND Faith and love and..
1,146
posted on
09/02/2010 2:40:51 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: metmom; Natural Law; OLD REGGIE
Of course — I can say that I do not believe Old Reggie is a Unitarian Universalist and that I do not believe that OR believes in the Trinity, which is quite different from saying anyone is a liar. It’s the nuances of the language you know..
1,147
posted on
09/02/2010 2:42:28 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Quix
It's like trying to justify talking in gibberish (which is quite different from talking in tongues i.e. languages).
The Apostles idea of speaking in tongues:
In the Bible, "tongues" always mean languages that really exist or existed. Only the apostles and some of those converted by their ministry spoke in tongues. Generally speaking, the sign-gifts are limited to the apostles (apart from the Lord, of course).
Speaking in tongues is only described in the book of Acts, in the three times when new groups of believers were introduced into the Assembly (or Church) -- the Jews in ch. 2, the Gentiles in ch. 10, and the disciples of John the Baptist in Acts 19:6. The apostles spoke in different LANGUAGES (actual human, understandable languages), without asking for it
ACTS 2
All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.
Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans?
Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?
Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome
(both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!"
Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?"
In contrast,
the strange noises made by various sham pent-e-coastl groups like oinks, gargling etc. are NOT languages of this world, most are made up, some sound demonic. How can you compare this sham "speaking in oinks" to true, Apostolic speaking in tongues?
1,148
posted on
09/02/2010 2:46:22 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Quix
AMAZING PERCEPTUAL BLINDNESS.
OR IS IT
WILLFUL BLINDNESS? I actually believe it's one of perception.
And.............that's a positive. There is still hope the eyes will open and the perception will change.
1,149
posted on
09/02/2010 2:47:23 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: Mad Dawg
How much clearer can it be than their book saying the exact opposite of what scripture tells us ?
One book teaches us to love our neighbors the other tell them to kill all the Jews and Christians .
Do you think God plays dirty tricks on people to fool them into doing the opposite ?
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Make all the excuses you want . The fact is that you can’t really spin this around as not being official church doctrine.
1,150
posted on
09/02/2010 2:48:46 PM PDT
by
Lera
To: Natural Law; metmom
NL: Lying implies an awareness of the falsehood and a conscious decision to proceed. One can be factually incorrect and not be lying.
Perhaps you may need to explain this more clearly to metmom --> she may see things only as an Either/or case (Either Grace or ...,).
It may be a stretch for some to imagine saying that you do not believe person X, yet person X is not lying.
1,151
posted on
09/02/2010 2:51:40 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: smvoice; Quix
What better way than to blow these people full of self-importance and 'pious' acts of 'holiness' that only serve to appeal to the carnal, outer man. Appeal to the senses, make them feel special, and 'unlike the OTHERS' and you have a group that will not only go willingly, but without any TRUE knowledge of EXACTLY why
Exactly -- a very good description of fake pastoers like Benny Hinn etc. and the fake gargling that they call "talking in tongues" (which is not like the Apostolic talking in varied languages).
I see that you too find that the Pent-e-cosatl "Appeal to the senses, make them feel special, and 'unlike the OTHERS' and you have a group that will not only go willingly, but without any TRUE knowledge of EXACTLY why" to be strange.
What do you think of the whole blurbing and gargling in tongues (not in real languages)? Do you also think that pent-e-coastal charlatans like Hinn, Hogan, Popoff, Hagin, Meyers etc. are "gather together people who would march step in step straight down the broad path and through the broad gate, singing and arms locked together in complete unison and blindness, an organization would have to believe without a doubt that they have obtained complete authority and control."
1,152
posted on
09/02/2010 2:57:14 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: OLD REGGIE
So then, do you Unitarians believe in the Trinity?
1,153
posted on
09/02/2010 2:58:27 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Natural Law
"Short Memory?"
No, exactly the opposite. Not believing someone and accusing them of lying are two completely different things.
1,154
posted on
09/02/2010 3:00:43 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: OLD REGGIE
What is a Unitarian?
To a fundamental Christian, a Unitarian is a heretic who has rejected Jesus as the only "way, the truth and the light". A Unitarian on one hand says that Jesus is the greatest teacher. But Unitarians are blinded to His teachings. Jesus said "I and the Father are One". And, Jesus also taught John 14:6 Jesus said, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life.
1,155
posted on
09/02/2010 3:03:33 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Cronos
I have attended many of these tongue filled sessions on the subway. German, Italian, Hebrew and Yiddish with a touch of Gaelic were the main ingredients.The groans emitted were recognizable to those who are saved. However the many charlatans who pretend to speak in tongues are merely satisfying their own carnal prideful desires and are doomed.
Those who speak in tongues in a religious sense do so at the bequest of the Holy Spirit and not some psychological babble conjured up in their fanciful minds gleaned aboard some space ship by a self proclaimed space cadet.
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior not a UFO.
1,156
posted on
09/02/2010 3:24:33 PM PDT
by
bronx2
(while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
To: Cronos; Natural Law; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
It may be a stretch for some to imagine saying that you do not believe person X, yet person X is not lying. If the "I don't believe you" charge is made directly and personally concerning a specific and personal claim by an individual you are calling that person a liar. There is no weasle wording around that.
I suggest a review of the posts in question is in order.
We are not speaking of a hypothetical here. We are speaking specifically.
1,157
posted on
09/02/2010 3:26:33 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: Cronos
So then, do you Unitarians believe in the Trinity? Once again I ask, is English your native language?
1,158
posted on
09/02/2010 3:28:54 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: Lera
Make all the excuses you want . The fact is that you cant really spin this around as not being official church doctrine. Ah. It's been a while since I saw such a blatant 'shoot and move". Your original argument was against papal infallibility. Now it's about whether this is "official church doctrine." May I take the change of subject as an admission that your argument about papal infallibility was a lousy one?
Preferring victory to truth is a waste of time, IMHO.
As to "their book" saying this or that, I have heard plenty of Jews saying that the duty to "turn the other cheek" was not a duty for them. So how much of a disagreement leads to certainty that they worship a different god?
In a related argument, lots of non-Catholics here seem to suggest, if not state outright, that we Catholics worship a different god.
I don't think there is more than one God, myself. I think people can have very wrong ideas about Him. I think it at least possible that rather than worship a different God, they worship the same God very badly and think about him even more badly. Muslims say the god they worship is merciful and compassionate. They may have lousy ideas about what that means in their daily lives, but I will agree with them and even say that God is more merciful and compassionate than they know.
1,159
posted on
09/02/2010 3:39:31 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Cronos
What is a Unitarian?
To a fundamental Christian, a Unitarian is a heretic who has rejected Jesus as the only "way, the truth and the light". A Unitarian on one hand says that Jesus is the greatest teacher. But Unitarians are blinded to His teachings. Jesus said "I and the Father are One". And, Jesus also taught John 14:6 Jesus said, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life.LIST OF CATHOLIC HERESIES And HUMAN TRADITIONS
1,160
posted on
09/02/2010 3:40:40 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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