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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


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To: Quix; stfassisi
Stfassisi: Our Blessed Lord made known He would be betrayed(by Judas) on the very day He announced the Eucharist.So, it's no surprise the demoniacally influenced still attack the Blessed Sacrament today

Quix: Nonsense

So, which part do you disagree with? That Jesus was betrayed by Judas on the same day He announced the Eucharist?
Or
demonically influenced still attack the Blessed Sacrament today?
1,001 posted on 09/01/2010 10:16:29 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix


What brazen
unmitigated
UNBiblical
arrogance!
Displayed by
the
followers of Sister Aimee McPherson
In
The FourSquare Cult
with their brothers
in
The Cult of Machen, the OrthoProsbotarians and the Christ-divinity and Trinity denying UNitarians
?


What an
ABSURD
HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!
&
BRAZENLY
FALSE

ASSERTION!


And since when have The FourSquare Pantecoastal quixotic cult sent out missionaries to MARS now?

1,002 posted on 09/01/2010 10:23:08 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The OPC may make a big noise on this and other threads, but they are only 28,000 people as of 2005 and still showing a downward trend in adherents, Their own website http://opc.org/GA/73rd_GA_rpt_topical.html says":
In 2005 three congregations withdrew from the OPC to join the Presbyterian Church in America, one of which was a rather large congregation, resulting in a net loss of members for the OPC in 2005. The membership of the OPC has remained at about 28,000 for more than two years, which is a cause of concern.
so they make a lot of noise for such a small grouping and don't regard even their fellow Presbyterians well -- I wonder what they think of the sub-groups that formed from them like the Bible Presbyterian C and the Evangelical Presbyterian C


1,003 posted on 09/01/2010 10:24:33 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Lera

hmmm... let’s see — which “sees” does your grouping have outside the US? Or even within the US, for that matter?


1,004 posted on 09/01/2010 10:26:18 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
Wooo-- like the little bit "We can assume that blog is likewise sanctioned by Rome since it appears to be one of the many chapters of the Vatican-sanctioned Legion of Mary scattered throughout the world. "

And of course according to the 27,995 and diminishing OPC which reads a 14 page excerpted Bible, any blog is a statement of fact... hilarious!
1,005 posted on 09/01/2010 10:29:21 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix
All else will pass away, His Word and His Church will never pass away.

They have no rebuttle from Scripture because Scripture

ranks lower than

!!!!SISTAH AIMEE!!!!;

than the magical pastors like Benny Hinn and Machen;
than talking in demonic spirited tongues (cleverly copied by demons from REAL Holy Spirit speaking in REAL languages/tongues);
than ritual of singing and dancing;
than the pastor
1,006 posted on 09/01/2010 10:32:17 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix
From here

I am not quoting this word for word but Joseph R. Chambers, (calls himself a Classic Pentecostal of over 40 years) of Paw Creek Ministries in his video "The False Anointing" references Revelation 13:11 and says the Pensacola Outpouring is a false anointing. It gives emphasis to the Anti-Christ. "The False prophet doeth great wonders," meaning he deceives by miracles. This is in preparation to cause people to worship the Anti-Christ. This False Prophet is already working, getting people ready for the Anti-Christ. It gets them to worship him. It is a counterfeit to the real thing. They are worshipping a Jesus that is not of the Bible. This anointing will prepare people to take the mark of the beast.


1,007 posted on 09/01/2010 10:33:31 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix
From here

Music is a major factor in these supposed revivals. "One of the main songs at Pensacola is, 'The River is Here.'...Even a clear Biblical title for our Heavenly Father or His Son is totally missing from the lyrics. It is a 'New Age" type song that can be sung to a generic God. The mood of this song is hypnotic and literally sweeps the unsuspecting into a receptive mindset. People are readied to receive their 'apparition' by this kind of 'Beatles' music and sound." ("Pensacola Impartations-Apparitions" by Joseph R. Chambers).

James Ryles, the pastor of Bill McCartney, founder of Promise Keepers received a vision of the Beatles group, in which they represented the music God was going to use to bring and end-time revival. "In the summer of 1989, I had a dream...And I remember the dream thinking to myself, wow - this is like the Beatles music was new. The Lord spoke to me and said, 'What you saw in the Beatles - the gifting and that sound that they had - was from me. It did not belong to them. It belongeth to me. It was my purpose to bring forth through music a world-wide revival that would usher in the move of my spirit in bringing men and women to Christ." (Joseph R Chambers quoting "Harvest Conference, Denver, Colorado, James Ryle, November 1990)

Lendal Cooley, from the Vineyard Ministries is their music director at Brownsville. The music is a mix of rock and mood music. Don Moheim in the "Pentecostal Evangel" said "there is something spooky about the music, it has power to impart." (quote from video "Pensacola Impartations-Apparitions" by Joseph R. Chambers)

Joseph R. Chambers says of witnessing the music "It was full of hype and emotions, with a great majority of the audience jumping, dancing, etc. I don't mean spiritual worship, but the exact same as a rock concert. These revival services, whether at Pensacola, Toronto, Canada, or a Rodney Howard-Brown laughing service, are exact copies of a rock concert with the same emotions, the same hysteria, the same dance, and the same trivializing of truth, righteousness, and the glory of God." ("The False Anointing" by Joseph R. Chambers).

A group known as the Kansas City Prophets have done much to lend credence to these supposed revivals. There are several men all associated with a single church, formerly Kansas City Fellowship and now called Metro Vineyard Fellowship. Pastor Mike Bickle, is a leader in encouraging his flock to practice modern prophecy. Men from this group are often featured speakers at John Wimber's international conference ministry. Their teachings have been spread by a book entitled "Some Said it Thundered" by David Pytches. While they claim to receive prophecy from God they are about one to three in accuracy. In that book it states "Anyone who has experience in helping to nurture 'baby prophets' realizes that they have difficulty in distinguishing the words that the Spirit speaks from those that come from their own hearts or even from evil sources. At first they make many mistakes." (page 14) Some believe the movement is connected to the Latter Reign Movement of the forties and fifties. One of their staff members, Paul Cain, was associated with that movement.


1,008 posted on 09/01/2010 10:34:34 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix
One quite incorrect belief in the pantecostal movement as exhibited by the ForeSquare cult is

BELIEF THAT THE GIFT OF TONGUES IS A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION LANGUAGE WITH GOD AND THAT IT IS A SIGN OF SPIRITUALITY OR CONFIRMATION OF THE PERSON BEING A CHRISTIAN. The gift of tongues was the gift to speak a known language for use in transmitting the gospel message to persons who spoke that particular language. In all cases when it was used, it was required that a translator be present and that only one person could use the gift at one time. Tongues were never used in the New Testament as a confirmation to believers, but as a confirmation to unbelievers of the reality of what they were being told. The apostle Paul considered the gift of tongues to be the least of the gifts, but charismatic believers fervently seek after it and place it at the top as the most favored and desirable. By turning the value of the gift upside down, they show that the gift is sought, not because of its spiritual value, but because of its display and exhibitionist qualities, and the subsequent claims to spirituality and prestige that are made when a person demonstrates what is said to be the gift

Even if it is in multi-colored font, it's still not a "gift from God", rather from the enemy..
1,009 posted on 09/01/2010 10:37:07 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos

You are making my point .

Matthew 7:13“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.


1,010 posted on 09/01/2010 11:14:57 PM PDT by Lera
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To: Quix
Who exalts alternate deities? Well, those who have in the past posted links to from:

some abovetopsecret a strange site that says

SI talks ALOT about UFOs and "space brothers". According to SI , the UN will be making disclosure to the world in 2013. Shortly after that...probably a few years later when the world is "ready", the "space brothers" will publicly land across the globe. They will be helping the human race to repair the world in various ways . (Maitreya seems to be some sort of "bridge" between the aliens and humans). ...

- I believe an extraterrestrial presence has been on earth for millenia. I believe we are their creation and that they have always viewed themselves as our "masters". Ancient texts the globe over describe their rule on Earth, the conflicts within their own race and between them and their creations. I believe most religious figures of the past were planted by them. That we have umpteen different spiritual thought systems segregating mankind from one another spiritually and psychologically instead of unifying the species suggests a "divide to conquer" warlike strategy for control.

- Most major religions (their creation in my mind) await the return of their respective "saviours". This would be Maitreya. If you follow the concept of world religions being instigated by the extraterrestrial "gods" then you see how this Maitreya IS the "second coming". There is no antichrist before him and no "real" messiah after him. He is simply the final plant in a long line of plants.

- Personally I think the visitors are the creator "gods" returning to their creation. We will by then be more controlled, less unruly so easier to rule. They will work towards total mind control - likely easy peasy once the chips are in.
These aren't Catholics who believe this looniness, but UFO-ologists
1,011 posted on 09/01/2010 11:19:10 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Lera
Exactly
Matthew 7:13“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
As Christ said -- the small and narrow road that is Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church leads to life and only a few find it. It's so much easier for the others to get inspired by various cults outside the Church, so they do that.
1,012 posted on 09/01/2010 11:21:42 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Lera

And your homepage is correct — Mohammed is the false prophet spoken about in Revelation and the Muslimes do seem to revere the number 786, very strange...


1,013 posted on 09/01/2010 11:23:08 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos

As Christ said — the small and narrow road that is Christ’s Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church leads to life and only a few find it. It’s so much easier for the others to get inspired by various cults outside the Church, so they do that.


Just exactly where in scripture did Christ mention the Catholic Church ? I can’t seem to find the word Catholic in my Bible . I can find a letter written to one of the churches that used to belong to them though and it is a warning for them to repent .
Seems that church thinks that it is rich and powerful and doesn’t need to.


1,014 posted on 09/01/2010 11:29:41 PM PDT by Lera
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To: Cronos

I know .
Scary part is your church seems to think they worship the same god. ( I wrote god and not God because allah is not God)


1,015 posted on 09/01/2010 11:35:32 PM PDT by Lera
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To: Quix
I have wanted to respond to this Mary business for some time and while I was scanning through the list of condemned proposals the last one confused me "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."

I did a lot of googling and found this: "theologians generally admit that while Mary does not belong to the Hypostatic Union (Christ alone does), yet she belongs to the Hypostatic Order, either directly, according to some (Suarez, Saavedra, Cardinal Lépicier), or at least indirectly, according to others. (16) The reason is that it was in her, and through her own generative act, that the Union was accomplished."

Additionally the same article has this: "The objection of the Nestorians against the term Theotokos was based on a false notion of motherhood, and also of the Hypostatic Union. (13) To understand the Catholic dogma, we must have exact ideas concerning both. Motherhood is the relationship established when a woman communicates to her offspring a nature identical to her own, and this by means of a true generation (conception, gestation, birth). The terminus of generation is the whole son, not only the physical body furnished by the mother. Thus, we say that St. Ann is the mother of Mary (i.e., this whole and complete person: Mary), and not only of Mary's body, even though we know that St. Ann did not furnish Mary's soul.

In Christ there are two natures (one divine, one human), and these two natures are inseparably united in one Person, namely, the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity. That most perfect union is called the Hypostatic Union.

Now Mary did not supply Christ with either His divine nature or His divine Person. Both existed from all eternity. She furnished only His human nature. But since that human nature was inseparably united to the divine Person in the very first instant of Christ's conception, we say that Mary conceived and gave birth to a Son who is truly God, and hence she is the Mother of God.

The fact that there are two natures in Christ entails a twofold sonship. Because His divine nature was generated from the Father from all eternity, Christ is the true Son of God the Father. Because His human nature was generated from Mary, Christ is the true Son of Mary. However, this twofold sonship does not imply two Sons. Being one undivided Person, Christ the Son of the eternal Father is absolutely identical with Christ the Son of Man. Hence Mary is truly the Mother of God. By destroying this oneness of Christ's Person, the Nestorians were led to deny Mary's divine Motherhood. By this same token, when the Church defended and defined Mary's divine Motherhood, she was also safeguarding the revealed Catholic doctrine concerning the Hypostatic Union. They necessarily stand or fall together."

One might well ask "what was that all about?" Well... The Docetae, Anabaptists, and other heretics held that Christ was true God, but not a true man; hence, in their opinion, Mary could not be said to have begotten Him. On the contrary, the Ebionites, Arians, Rationalists and others hold that Christ was a true man, but not God; hence, Mary may be called the Mother of Christ, but in no way the Mother of God. The third error is that of the Nestorians, who claim that there were two persons in Christ (one divine and one human), and that Mary gave birth only to the human person; therefore, she cannot be called Mother of God.

Above emphasis mine. Credit to the author: Fr. Juniper B. Carol, O.F.M., was a world-renowned authority on Mariology and the founder of The Mariological Society of America. This article was excerpted from Fundamentals of Mariology, Benziger Brothers, 1956.

All of that to merely address what's being talked about in one line. I seriously doubt most people could even read it all without experiencing a brain hemorrhage.

Many of the other condemned propositions make reference to power or authority being granted or coming to Mary. I think the obvious response is that if they were given to her then they do not have her as their origin and so the focus must turn to the nature of the relationship between the Son and His mother.

Let me add at this point that I don't like dueling Scripture verses. I'm not dogmatic about this but in my opinion it often comes close to blasphemy. I'm familiar with 2 Timothy 3:16, the Apostle is not saying throw verses back and forth at each other until someone walks off in a huff, I have yet to see that approach work for any side. I'm also familiar with the 4th chapter of St. Matthew's Gospel and I don't want to be the guy who puts someone in a position of defiling the Word of God. With that in mind I'm already well aware of Luke 11:28, Mark 3:35 and Matthew 12:50.

What then is the nature of the relationship between Jesus Christ and Mary. We all have mothers, what do our mothers mean to us? If, in His sacred Humanity, Our Lord was like us in everything but sin then surely His mother really was His mother in all that implies. Unfortunately we live in a society that has so devalued parents that they often get sent off to "rest homes" and so many of us dishonor our parents. We go off to live our lives and forget their sacrifices, hardships and burdens... usually caused by us. My own parents live 1000 miles from me, and very soon that's going to be a big problem. I love my mother (and my father of course) and if I could give her something special, I would give her eternal youth and beauty, and I'd want all my friends to know her, and I'd want people to ask her advice and bring her flowers and just... everything. And anyone who said she wasn't the best and greatest and most wonderful mother ever would be in for a world of hurt.

If I, broken, sinful, finite mortal that I am would want that for my mother... consider Our Perfect, Infinite, Eternal Lord.

1,016 posted on 09/02/2010 12:23:49 AM PDT by Legatus ( From the fear of being ridiculed, Deliver me, JESUS.)
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To: Legatus
I am now becoming fully capable

What does that mean?

While the constant searing pain is gone (far past 5 mo), I am on a long road of recovery now - Nerve damage and bone damage make for slower progress, and long unused bones and muscles need to get beefed up to handle the load. And it is a big load btw. Even though I only eat once a day, when you literally can't move much, weight is an horrible problem.

Being healed of the malady is wonderful, but it hasn't magically transformed me into a 250lb. perfectly healthy specimen, with a six-pack and a Dentyne schwing when I smile. There is still a lot of work to do.

Thus my term of being "clunky," some posts back...

But I have lost better than 50 lbs, and coordination (kinda like eye-hand, but all over) is vastly improved - almost back to normal - indicating nerve repair/synapse rerouting that the doctors said would never return. Though I still only walk about twenty minutes every-other day (doctor imposed limit), the range within those 20 mins. has increased dramatically.

In my early exuberance, I fully believed I would be walking in the high mountains by now... That has not yet happened (though it will, God willing). But I WILL go hunting this year (for the first time in many years), albeit only from my truck, behind normally gated forest service roads (which is legal here for the disabled).

Does that answer your question?

I don't even remember what this tangent is even all about. Was it you claiming you were healed and other people saying that doesn't make you the pope?

No, the point is that others have claimed that "Pentecostalism is a sham," and that the healings produced within the Pentecostal sphere were not true. While I do not adhere specifically to Pentecostalism, as a Charismatic, the distinction is one without a difference. The methodology employed by myself in seeking healing is virtually identical to the means used by all of the spirit-filled communities. It does not vary much.

I'm beginning to remember, my primary interest in this subject is that we are instructed not to make things "about individual posters" and this is about you. Whether it's at your invitation or not we're on shaky ground and it's probably not appropriate.

Unless things have changed, YOU cannot make it about ME, and I cannot make it about YOU. However, if I make it about ME, YOU can make it about ME, too.

And the only way to specifically address the charge that "Pentecostalism is a sham," and that people are not healed by such means, is to provide anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Since the charge is against Pentecostalism wholly, one evidential example discounts the argument entirely. I have given many, and among them, myself.

Since part of the argument is "nobody knows the people being healed," I can certainly raise my hand and say, "Here I am. I have seen these things. They have even happened to me and mine."

Additionally this sort of thing is destined to degenerate into dueling miracles.

I don't think there is anyone on the Protestant side that questions healing miracles at all - Protestants ALL believe the Spirit works upon individuals and through individuals, and to a lesser degree, through edifices, offices, and nations.

Babylon=confusion. There is no religious institution that does not possess a bit of Babylon - and some, way more than others. I will argue with you all day long about those confusions (which I truly believe emanated from the Roman church, collectively), but healings are of the Spirit (one of the gifts), not doctrine or dogma - Dare I blaspheme the Spirit?

No doubt there are charlatans within Pentecostalism, but there is equally no doubt that there are charlatans in every organization, including your own (and my own).

I have hundreds of witnesses, Catholic and Protestant, family, friends and strangers who can attest that I was almost totally unable to walk for a couple of years and now I can.

Praise God! Then you are probably conversant with some of what I am going through now. It is wonderful to get up! What a blessing for you!

Does this somehow validate my religious beliefs? My wife thinks it does, but then she's just as rabidly Catholic as am I so a lot of her prayers went through Mary and the saints.

To a degree, it does, and perhaps that is close to my point: If prayers to Mary and "saints" were the effective mechanisms, then I would still be in my chair. How is it that I walk today, without these things, or consecrations, sacraments, priests, and etc.?

Some here must conclude that anything miraculous which occurs beyond the doors of their own religion must be... what was the phrase you used... "of diabolical origin."

I am not of that sort.

But I DO see an indicator in healings generally: While all churches can claim some, in my experience, Pentecostals, the Spirit-filled, have far more than others. I think that is because they spend their lives trying earnestly to BE on the other side - They look to the Spirit. They live in the Spirit. Their hearts are completely open, and eagerly expecting to be moved by the Spirit.

That is no small feat, and it is to be commended - Even while admitting that some may take it too far, and are lead astray. That goes with the territory.

1,017 posted on 09/02/2010 1:39:43 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Mad Dawg
Praise God! His mercies endure for ever ("vain repetition", I know, but it's a psalm, so it's okay.)

LOL! Thank you, brother, for rejoicing with me! God is SO good!

You had asked some time ago about my story (in a FRe-mail, IIRC)... Well now you know. That is why I have great empathy for where you find yourself. I only ask that God will grant you the same as He has given me, in the name of Yeshua. There is deliverance in the Name!

Sorry I have become distracted from our happy little sidebar. Since I am up and around, and everything, I no longer choose to be inside, if I can help it. My computer work is slow, so I am taking advantage of the outdoors while I can. The leaves are turning already here, and it looks like fall will be short.

At any rate, that doesn't leave me as much time as I would like to sit at the keys, so I am falling far behind.

1,018 posted on 09/02/2010 2:14:15 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Quix; Natural Law
I think in the middle of various rantings about how the Pope is actually a Neptunian (or was it from Pluto?), dear ole Quixie had mentioned how multi-colored fonts are easier on his eyes. So, being a nice kindly bloke, I'll oblige

One quite incorrect belief in the pantecostal movement as exhibited by the ForeSquare cult is

BELIEF THAT THE GIFT OF TONGUES IS A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION LANGUAGE WITH GOD AND THAT IT IS A SIGN OF SPIRITUALITY OR CONFIRMATION OF THE PERSON BEING A CHRISTIAN. The gift of tongues was the gift to speak a KNOWN LANGUAGE not mutterings for use in transmitting the gospel message to persons who spoke that particular language. In all cases when it was used, it was required that a translator be present and that only one person could use the gift at one time. Tongues were never used in the New Testament as a confirmation to believers, but as a confirmation to unbelievers of the reality of what they were being told.

The apostle Paul considered the gift of tongues to be the least of the gifts, but charismatic believers fervently seek after it and place it at the top as the most favored and desirable. By turning the value of the gift upside down, these charismatics show that the gift is sought, not because of its spiritual value, but because of its display and exhibitionist qualities, and the subsequent claims to spirituality and prestige that are made when a person demonstrates what is said to be the gift

1,019 posted on 09/02/2010 2:34:35 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix; Natural Law
Let's repeat the main point:
The apostle Paul considered the gift of tongues to be the least of the gifts, but charismatic believers fervently seek after it and place it at the top as the most favored and desirable.

By turning the value of the gift upside down, these charismatics show that the gift is sought, not because of its spiritual value, but because of its display and exhibitionist qualities, and the subsequent claims to spirituality and prestige that are made when a person demonstrates what is said to be the gift

1,020 posted on 09/02/2010 2:36:37 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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