Posted on 08/18/2010 1:22:01 PM PDT by Normandy
for non-Hebrew readers...
Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD: * 5 and thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be upon thine heart: 7 and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be for frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thy house, and upon thy gates.
* Or, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. Or, the LORD is our God, the LORD is one.
God says that unlike every nation surrounding Israel - with their pantheons of gods, like modern mormonism - God was the only Lord. Israelites were to be MONOTHEISTIC and not polytheistic or henotheistic.
Mormonism has failed before it ever started at the most basic lesson.
Good day, ampu
In the New Testament, we learn more about Jesus’ relationship to his Father. We constantly read of Jesus praying to his Father (not talking to himself), and referring to the Father as being separate from himself.
On at least three occasions the Father’s voice is heard speaking from heaven while Jesus is on earth: at the baptism of Jesus, on the mount of Transfiguration, and at Bethany shortly before the crucifixion.
He prays to his Father that his disciples might be one, “Even as we are one” (John 17:22) He says my “Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)
He tells Mary Magdalene that he was going to ascend to “My Father and your Father, my God and your God” (John 20:17)indicating that there is a similarity between his own relationship with the Father and Mary’s.
I find the belief that the Father and the Son as being separate individuals, but completely united in purpose is entirely biblical.
Regards,
Normandy
“We constantly read of Jesus praying to his Father (not talking to himself), and referring to the Father as being separate from himself.”
... No. The Father is a separate Person - nowhere does it ever say a separate being.
“On at least three occasions the Father’s voice is heard speaking from heaven while Jesus is on earth: at the baptism of Jesus, on the mount of Transfiguration, and at Bethany shortly before the crucifixion.”
... Yes, but that is perfectly understandable, since Jesus had a physical body and chose to lay aside the usage of some of his divine attributes while on earth. That is no proof that He was not THE SAME GOD, but a different person.
“He prays to his Father that his disciples might be one, “Even as we are one” (John 17:22) He says my “Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)”
... Position. The entire context shows He was praying the disciples would share unity as He and the Father share unity.
“He tells Mary Magdalene that he was going to ascend to “My Father and your Father, my God and your God” (John 20:17)indicating that there is a similarity between his own relationship with the Father and Mary’s.”
... You mistake similarity with identical sameness. It never says what you imply.
“I find the belief that the Father and the Son as being separate individuals, but completely united in purpose is entirely biblical.”
... Nowhere have you shown any Biblical proof that your view is even =>possible<= ... let alone plausible or probable. Your mormon view is without Biblical evidence and stands in opposition to what the Bible reveals. In short, it is Biblically impossible.
... What you did was take your mormon idea, find passages you could copy that use similar words and then conclude the mormon idea was in the passage.
... Mormon see and say.
It is all you guys do on these threads BM.
ampu
HA HA HA!!.
This post alone contradicts your screenname in it's entirety.
Why don't you check my posting history "lady"? Then try to sling that muck at me and see if it sticks.
I wonder, are the active mormonism apologists at FR getting talking points memos now? ... We could almost make a list of phrases they repeat, and ... oh, never mind. I’m just an anti-mormonism poster don’tchaknow.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Roger.
The tactics are desperate.
They might as well start implementing Godwin’s Law for all the good it’s going to do them.
I note that the original poster of that garbage has not replied to any who replied or challenged her.
Amateur hour must have been reinstituted.
That's what the muslims say after terrosrits bombings. But they never denounce them.
Do you denounce the the "independed" thoughts of your church's early prophets, including Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?
Then denounce them as false.
Hi LL, it's been a while!
Just wanted to point out that that's a nice thing, working on society's problems. Fine for LDS, they beleive non-LDS get another chance after death. Christians know the truth - that one must choose BEORE death, and then it's too late.
So we're a little less concerned about "doing good for society" here on earth. What good are treasures in heaven if you're not the to claim them?
Here's the crux indeed. And in all such matters, we are to hold it up the the only standard of truth we have on this earth: The bible.
Epic fail.
And since they are not, we should be fighting them with every weapon we have, without cease.
That's because they are used to seeing it that way in scripture (/gag)
“Hey, those are just OPINIONS!” (/sarc)
Norm, I’m really disappointed that you, who seem to have really put at least a minimal amount of thought and study into this, would just shut down and withdraw.
C’mon man, use the brain that God gave you!
Hi TM4,
I think I understand where you are coming from, you have formed your opinion about Mormonism, but I think fighting against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a waste of effort and counterproductive.
People have been trying to bring down this work from the very beginning. I know the church to be of God. It has a mission to to good in the world, to lead people to Christ, to uplift and strengthen to weak and the weary, to alleviate suffering, to promote religious freedom, to encourage people to repent of sin and follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ.
I’m not sure why this is considered so evil.
But no matter what people do to try and stop its progress it will be ineffective.
I agree with this statement from Brigham Young:
“Every time you kick “Mormonism” you kick it upstairs; you never kick it downstairs. The Lord Almighty so orders it.”
I would suggest that if you don’t like Mormonism, you let it alone. If it were the work of man, or of the devil it would whither away or self-destruct. But if it is of God, you don’t want to be fighting against it. It is hard to kick against the pricks.
Best regards,
Normandy
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