I am REALLY getting quite dissappointed in you guys. Why must you think everyone is lying about everything they say? I did not "look up some website" as a response to your post. I saw what I already had saved from two years ago and posted it because it was another view of the "early church fathers" - just like I said I did. Just admit you have a biased view of church history - we ALL do to some extent. And take it easy on the mind-reading and presumed actions and motives of others, it's unseemly.
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"You guys"? All of us?