Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[Cronos]

What is funny is that Rome is the burying place for both +Peter and +Paul, and the bishop of Rome was always held in esteem because he was the successor of +Peter and Rome was the burying place of
+Peter and +Paul

[Quix]

Boggles my mind.

RC's challenging Proddys to prove a negative

. . . to prove things not evident in Scripture.

If any group NEEDED TO PROVE, HAD AN OBLIGATION TO PROVE THINGS NOT IN SCRIPTURE

IT'S THE VATICAN HOUSE OF CARDS BUILT SO WHOLESALE ON HEARSAY !!!!TRADITION!!!!!

God have mercy.

[Cronos]

A non-sequitor. It is proven that Unitarian Universalism is built on a foundation of deception, forgeries and lies. Asking you the question, what is your course of action?

[narses]

“I believe, that God gave us his inspired words to be the guide for our faith.”

Yes. The Church teaches that. God sent The Word to us for our Salvation.

“It SHOULD be at the top of the heap as far as authority. “

Again, that is the essence of Catholic teaching. Both what was written down and what was said to the Apostles.

“Traditions, and EVERYBODY has them, should be measured by this source if they have to do with doctrines of the faith.”

NOTHING in the Catholic Tradition contradicts in any way the Holy Writ. Nothing.

[Cronos]

“Iscool is corrrect, as usual.” —> you mean like where he asked if the Pope washed anyone’s feet? Or his dalliances into ARamaic and Koine Greek. Do you really follow any knee-jerk anti-Church statement?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for sharing your insights and concerns, dear brother in Christ!

When I observe anyone "acting out" a Church doctrine, I remind myself that I do not know what is in his heart and mind.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. - I Cor 2:11-12

And truly, that has long been my objection to closed or close communion - namely that the priest or minister cannot know the heart of the person whether he does or does not partake of the cup and the bread.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup. - I Cor 11:28

God's Name is I AM.

[Quix]

[Deo volente]

REDEMPTION came by the Cross, and it was won for every person who would ever be created. SALVATION is what happens to each individual soul. All human beings were redeemed by the Sacrifice, once for all, that Jesus made at Calvary, but not everyone is necessarily saved. There has to be some cooperation with those graces, and I think you would agree with that. I'm sure you would not disagree with me if I said that some people could knowingly reject the Lord and thus be condemned. I'm assuming you would agree that those people could not be saved. That's common ground that Catholics and Protestants share.

He did not die again and rise again for Mary. He died once, and He rose once, then ascended into heaven where He prepares a place for those who will be counted among the saved. Some of those He redeemed on the Cross have, and will, reject Him and not be saved.

Mary was redeemed along with everyone else by Jesus’ Sacrifice. But she was redeemed in anticipation of His merits on the Cross. She was also sanctified beforehand, at the moment of her conception. The Incarnate Son of God's sacrificial death has eternal value and scope, as God is eternal and freely operates outside the constraints of time and space. It is no difficulty for God to apply the infinite merits of the Redemption to her soul beforehand. No problem at all.

[Mad Dawg]

Then enlighten me.....

Forgive me. I do not think you really want to know what we teach.

Purgatory is paying for sins by fire, is it not?

I would not say so. People say that, but when I talk to them in depth, that's not really what they mean.

Purgatorhy IMHO, is more like therapy.

I cannot recommend Dante's Commedia enough. I found Purgatory -- and continue to find it -- truly beautiful.

For someone unfamiliar with Catholic thought, the Penguin Edition, translated by Dorothy Sayers AND with extensive notes, essays, etc. is the best way to begin. And even if ou decide in advance not to think any part of it might have anything of importance to say to you, I cannot think how an educated person East of Japan and west of the Hindu Kush could think his education complete without having enjoyed one the greatest poems ever written,

Have you ever had physical therapy for an injury?

[Cronos]

So you agree with

The Bible is not exhaustive in every detail. John 21:25 speaks to the fact that there are many things that Jesus said and did that are not recorded in John, or in fact in any book in the world because the whole books of the world could not contain it. But the Bible does not have to be exhaustive to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church.

And yet you say that

All that is necessary for that blessed assurance is found in the Bible

it's not exhaustive in every detail about salvation, and yet all that is necessary is found in it?

And you also say that any Church teachings that do not contradict scripture which is "not exhaustive in every detail" is ok? It's not a gotcha -- it's simple logic if you agree to the first and second, you have to state the third.

[narses]

A yellow, rounf flying object! Hale! Bopp!

[narses]

A yellow, round flying object! Hale! Bopp!

[presently no screen name]

You are placing human time constraints on Jesus

No way! My Jesus has DONE IT ALL!. You were putting words in HIS mouth. I don't add or take away from HIS WORD. He KNOWS who HE blesses and how and He told us in that Scripture. Leaning upon you own understanding is warned about.

I don't put constraints on God - that's why I don't need purgatory - which is not biblical. He paid the price ONCE and for all. I can't add anything to it.

So who is it that really constricts God because of their own beliefs and NOT according to His own Word - that one needs purgatory or good works for salvation?

[Cronos]

Why exactly does your Seventh Day Adventist group believe we believe what you think we believe?

[Cronos]

You implied that the criteria for acceptance was whether it was quoted, so the onus is on you to answer "did Jesus quote from each and every one of the books in the Old Testament? Which books did He NOT quote from?"

[D-fendr]

If you want to respond with what i didn’t say

Not at all, just phrasing it to summarize your view of your interpretation of Scripture. I even left out that you think you are the Church.

But in what I did post: Which part of the chain did I get wrong as far as being true to your position?

[Cronos]

And, yet, your kind says that they believe that the Bible is not exhaustive. So are the commentaries by Calvin needed to detail the Bible? Do you not refer to any commentaries on the Bible?

[presently no screen name]

But she was redeemed in anticipation of His merits on the Cross. She was also sanctified beforehand, at the moment of her conception. The Incarnate Son of God's sacrificial death has eternal value and scope, as God is eternal and freely operates outside the constraints of time and space. It is no difficulty for God to apply the infinite merits of the Redemption to her soul beforehand. No problem at all.

It's not difficult for God to do anything - but HE NEVER GOES AGAINST HIS WORD. Something that you seem to have a problem with - with your extra man made doctrine beliefs. One foot in the Word and another foot in man man doctrine leaves one off balanced when it comes to Truth.

[narses]

You are SDA?

[Deo volente]

It is “brother in Christ”, and you’re very, very welcome!

I have a good friend who became Catholic as an adult. She told me one time she was deeply impressed by the “materiality” of the Sacraments and worship of the Church. She was from a strict, fundamentalist background originally and now loves so much the richness and sheer beauty of the entire Catholic tradition.

Glad you liked the article by Peter Kreeft!