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To: Alamo-Girl
John 17:5

Saying he was with the Father is one thing; saying he is the same God of Ex 3:14 is not the same.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One God. And they are different Persons

Different and lesser is not the same. Jesus says that he one but also that he is lesser than the Father.

The Father is not begotten. Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father...In the beginning was the Word

John 1:1 says nothing about begetting, but rather states that "in the beginning [sic]" the Word (not the Son) was towards God and was God. Rather verse 1:14 seems to suggest that the only-begotten Son referrs to Jesus and not the eternal Word prior to incarnation.

You claim that God never says anything like that, i.e. I AM. To the contrary...I am Alpha and Omega...

That's not the same as just I AM (both cpaitalized).

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. – Exodus 3:14

He says no such thing in Hebrew or in Greek. Only in your English language Bible.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. – John 8:58

You don't get it, do you?

As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground. – John 18:6

Another one of John's transparencies. If that is so, then why did they have to get false witnesses to testify against Jesus in front of Sanhedrin? They had witnesses right there and then!!!

Besides, you don't think they would have arrested him if they believed he was God, do you?

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me...

I am God and just I am are not one and the same thing. You are pulling at straws. Angel Gabriel says ego eimi (I am) Gabriel! Does that mean he is God?

503 posted on 07/11/2010 11:42:57 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50; xzins; count-your-change
You don't get it, do you?

To the contrary, you do not get it.

At the root of Judeo/Christian belief is knowing Who God Is.

And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. - Deut 6:5

Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David. - Matthew 22:42

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. - Matthew 16:15-18

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. –I Corinthians 12:3

Conversely, denying Who God IS is at the root of the spirit of anti-Christ.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. - Genesis 3:4-5

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. - 1 John 4:1-3

And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God. - Deuteronomy 12:3-4

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. – 2 John 1:7-11

But the natural man cannot discern Spiritual Truth even when standing in front of Him enfleshed and speaking.

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

He certainly cannot discern Who God IS from text on papyrus. To him, “I am” is just “I am” – dead letters.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Cor 2:14

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

To the natural man, the Scriptures are just like any other ancient manuscript and are subject to his anthrocentric scrutiny.

But to us, they contain the words of God - they are alive. They are spirit and life.

For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63

The words of men are neither spirit nor life. They are dead letters.

Moreover, man is not the measure of God.

And my testimony is this: That God is not a hypothesis. He lives. His Name is I AM. And I've known Him for a half century and counting.

521 posted on 07/12/2010 8:09:43 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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