There is no way these empiricists ("I can only trust my physical senses and reasoning") would have understood Jesus to mean that He was physically 2,000 years old.
The issue was not new in John 8. Just a few chapters earlier:
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Romans 1:20
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Romans 8:22
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. Psalms 19:1-3
Thank you, sister, it is another of those verses that clearly demonstrates that John is BUILDING a case. The "I am" causes a "power struck" reaction. The "I am" causes an attempted stoning that is followed by a mysterious slipping away.
It is just beyond credulity to maintain that this was not connected to Exodus 3:14 (particularly to the part b summation in Exodus 3:14.)
Of all the New Testament writers, John uses a consistent array of words across his gospel, his letters, and his apocalypse....The Word, linen, name, etc.
Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED. GREAT STRAIGHTFORWARD BIBLICAL TRUTHS.
LOL indeed. You find that hard to believe but not, for example Elijah, Jonah or a talking donkey? Interesting.
There is no way these empiricists ("I can only trust my physical senses and reasoning") would have understood Jesus to mean that He was physically 2,000 years old.
I don't think the Pharisees were empiricists.
The issue was not new in John 8. Just a few chapters earlier
Of course not. John's entire Gospel is aimed at showing how the Jews conspired against him, had no clue what their religion was all about and that Jesus was the Jehovah.
To borrow a page from xzins, the Gospel of John flatly states that Jesus is God
Of course he does, and for a good reason. That was the whole purpose, historically and theologically, needed at the time of the writing.
And again, I and [my] Father are one. John 10:30
Wonderful, what about "my Father is greater than I"? (same John, different chapter)
Truly, one would have to eliminate every writing attributed to John
No one is trying to do that. Maybe you decided to jump into this discussion without reading what was written previously, but denying that John was doing his best to create a hellenized God out Jesus was not one of the topics.
[Before Abraham was, I am] I perceive nature itself reacting to those simple words, I AM, spoken by the Creator of "all that there is."
Not anywhere in the Bible. God never says anything like that. He says "I will be what I am becoming" or "I am the Existence" in Hebrew and Greek versions of Exodus 3:14. Jesus only claims he was around before Moses.
No need for me to come in and put my foot in it at *all*. :-)
Cheers!