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To: kosta50
In vs. 6 Luke says Judas sought out opportunites to betray Jesus and John says Satan entered Judas also just before he left at the end of the Passover meal.
By the time Judas went to the chief priests he was already corrupt. He feigned a concern for the poor while stealing from the money box. (John 12:6)
In fact at Capernaum Jesus calls him a devil or slanderer.(John 6:70)

So Satan was not entering a clean vessel here. A “fall guy”??? He realized his actions were wrong, meaning he knew the difference between right and wrong. He knew what he was doing. Unable to repent? Matthew 27:3 saya he did repent. Possessed? or Influenced or guided?

“Read Luke 22:2-4. Judas betrays Jesus while possessed by Satan, in order for God's plan to stay on course, and on time.”

Whatever Judas or Satan did His plan would do as He wished.

1,025 posted on 07/16/2010 4:21:19 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

In vs. 6 Luke says Judas sought out opportunites to betray Jesus and John says Satan entered Judas also just before he left at the end of the Passover meal

Judas sought the opportunities to betray him after Satan had moved in him. The chronology is clear in Luke's account. John's account doesn't change anything chronologically. Judas cooperated with the Sanhedrin after he was possessed or because he was the devil all along.

In fact at Capernaum Jesus calls him a devil or slanderer.(John 6:70)

It could be a figure of speech as when Jesus calls Peter "Satan" as well (Mat 16:23, Mark 8:33). Besides, if he knew he was the devil then how could John say  Satan entered Judas after the Passover meal? Hoe can the devil enter himself?!?

So Satan was not entering a clean vessel here.

No human being is a clean vessel. Either way, the point is that God seems to make use of the evil to fulfill his plan. It's just that John makes sure no one feels that Judas was a victim whose regret could have been forgiven. God will forgive fallen men but not fallen angels.

A “fall guy”??? He realized his actions were wrong, meaning he knew the difference between right and wrong.

Yes to both. He served a specific role in the foreordained set of events which had to happen, and his actions could not have been any other way. There was no other choice; there was no free will.

He knew what he was doing. Unable to repent?

Well, if he was the devil as John implies, or devil-possessed, then he could not. 

Matthew 27:3 saya he did repent. Possessed? or Influenced or guided?

Your Bible trnalsation is misleading you. The word used is metamelomai (μεταμελομαι) rather than metanoeo (μετανοεω). This distinction is very clear to any Eastern Orthodox believer, but not in the western tradition.  

The former represents and emotional change (regret, remorse). The latter a change of choice (as in metanoia, literally change of mind) for the rest of your life (repentance).

NAB correctly translates this verse "Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders."

So, yes, Judas was unable to repent, because if he did God would have forgiven him. Just being sorry doesn't cut it. In fact, John's account makes no sense in this regard since Judas, if he were the devil as John alleges, would have not even regretted, let alone repented! 

1,045 posted on 07/16/2010 9:09:43 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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