Posted on 07/02/2010 6:56:08 PM PDT by Desdemona
And let us not forget that if it was not for the Calvinist colonies imposing their own version of Calvinism upon their jurisdictions and engaging in religious warfare with their (other) Calvinist neighbours and persecuting the Baptists (and others) among them, we would not have the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.
....we should not be surprised to find that the Calvinists took a very important part in American Revolution. Calvin emphasized that the sovereignty of God, when applied to the affairs of government proved to be crucial, because God as the Supreme Ruler had all ultimate authority vested in Him, and all other authority flowed from God, as it pleased Him to bestow it.The Scriptures, God's special revelation of Himself to mankind, were taken as the final authority for all of life, as containing eternal principles, which were for all ages, and all peoples. Calvin based his views on these very Scriptures. As we read earlier, in Paul's letter to the Romans, God's Word declares the state to be a divinely established institution.
History is eloquent in declaring that the American republican democracy was born of Christianity and that form of Christianity was Calvinism. The great revolutionary conflict which resulted in the founding of this nation was carried out mainly by Calvinists--many of whom had been trained in the rigidly Presbyterian college of Princeton....
....In fact, most of the early American culture was Reformed or tied strongly to it (just read the New England Primer). Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, a Roman Catholic intellectual and National Review contributor, asserts: “If we call the American statesmen of the late eighteenth century the Founding Fathers of the United States, then the Pilgrims and Puritans were the grandfathers and Calvin the great-grandfather…”
-- from the thread John Calvin: Religious liberty and Political liberty
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MarkBsnr: And let us not forget that if it was not for the Calvinist Colonies imposing their own version of Calvinism upon their jurisdictions and engaging in religious warfare with their (other) Calvinist neighbours and persecuting the Baptists (and others) among them, we would not have the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.
"There was never a Calvinist influence, but the pervasive Calvinist influence was so bad, they got rid of it"
ROTFL! So which is it?
I will not try to make a claim that Calvinists contributed nothing to the formation of a uniquely American identity and form of government, but I will also not say that the American identity and form of government is uniquely Calvinistic. Like so much of America it is a hybrid, taking the best from the old world and the peoples that came here and rejecting the worst. That included the many Catholics whose names are not as prominant in the history of the revolution as those of the Protestants who, unlike the Catholics, enjoyed the right to vote, hold office, and enter into certain commercial contracts that was forbidden the Catholics.
The notion that our rights spring directly from God and not from a sovereign person or body predates Geneva by many hundreds of years. Aristotle and the Stoics wrote at length of the natural law and the Roman Cicero first defined it in modern terms when he wrote in his De Legibus that "both justice and law derive their origin from God".
The Catholic Church clearly articulated this concept in the writings of Augustine of Hippo, Gratian, and Thomas Aquinas. And do not forget that it was the institution of the Catholic Church that was a constant reminder that there was always a power greater than the state that all men must answer to for their deeds.
PLEASE ASSURE ME . . .
I mean . . . that assertion is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo
unmitigatedly !WRONG! AND UNTRUE TO REALITY
as to leave many of us thinking that
y’all must have been living at the far end of Carlsbad Caverns lo these many decades . . . without a shred of input from the outside world.
About the time I think an RC assertion of thoroughly rank falsehood can’t be any lower or MORE UNTRUE . . . someone lowers the bar.
INDEED TO THE MAX.
That's a given but it's so much bigger than that.
INDEED.
WELL DONE.
WELL PUT.
However, as we have seen relentlessly hereon,
a huge chunk of RC’s and all their rabid cliques seem to have absolutely no respect for nor interest in
true facts or THE TRUTH . . . about much of anything.
INDEED.
When one expects the government, be it political or religious, to shoulder their personal responsibility that person will ultimately deny any culpability.
So despite all their rhetoric about free will it is actually a concept that scares them to death such that they are willing to submit to the bondage of some greater human authority.
However, when one believes that they were saved from the beginning of time and that no deed, misdeed, or inaction will change that of what importance is culpability?
I hope your prosperity gospel is working out ok for you!
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When one expects the government, be it political or religious, to shoulder their personal responsibility that person will ultimately deny any culpability.
So despite all their rhetoric about free will it is actually a concept that scares them to death such that they are willing to submit to the bondage of some greater human authority.
WELL PUT...THX.
So true...
And we wouldn't even try to produce good works; so we avoid the Catholic Faith at all cost...And that's because we know that any good works that we, or you guys produce are as filthy rags to God...
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Any good works that we do travel from God to us...Any good works that travel from us to God belong and end up in the dung heap...
If that person understands his/her condition that in all facets of their life their default reflex is to rebel against God and yet God in his grace substituted his own son for them, and they trust that fact, then that person will be prone to react with gratitude toward God of which one of the responses will be to acknowledge their culpability.
So despite all their rhetoric about free will it is actually a concept that scares them to death such that they are willing to submit to the bondage of some greater human authority.
It is a sublime irony, isn't it?
The Roman Catholic champions free will and then turns over his will and God-given conscience to a fallible magisterium.
The Calvinist believes in God's sovereign predestination of all things, and so he willingly and joyfully trusts in the Lord for all things.
All things.
"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" -- 1 Corinthians 4:7
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." -- Colossians 1:16-17 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." -- Romans 8:28
INDEED.
That's a given but it's so much bigger than that.
Wow. What a barren and ungrateful perspective. Look at what you've just said. "Bigger" than Jesus Christ being with us now and every day of our lives until the end of time???
What in creation could possibly be "bigger" than that?!?
Wonder what counter-Reformer thought to sign up for that name?
I'm not surprised most of the RC's run off to their caucus threads when I see comments about things being bigger than Jesus Christ being with us forever.
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