...Elder Russell M. Nelson’s reminder:
“We all need to remember: men are that they might have joy — not guilt trips!
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And the women ???
Women are that they ...?????
Well, part of Nelson's quote comes from 2 Nephi 2:25 in the Book of Mormon (not the "guilt trip" part). So, to answer your Q, TN, ya just gotta go 2-3 verses before that:
Now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen...And they would have had no children..." (2 Nephi 2:22-23)
So, TN, the women "are" [sinful...that's Smith's implication here] that they might have children...
...and establish more bodies for waiting pre-existent spirits...
...and establish more bodies for waiting pre-existent spirits...
...and establish more bodies for waiting pre-existent spirits...
And, then as a "reward" for this bedroom and birthroom experience, you get to do it for eternity...
...only then be on the other end...
...producing pre-existent spirits by the billions...
...so that a new wave of young Mormon women can start this new cycle all over again...
A cycle of direct rebellion and disobedience against God's command...
...encouraging her husband to "tag along" for the sinful fun of it...
...bringing death and destruction and manifest diverse sin and mayhem and exploitation and abuse and warfare and the like into the world, to be passed down generation by generation...
...only to have some bloke Lds "apostle" pop into the scene and claim that Mormons "celebrate" Eve's fall (and I suppose all it led to)...see Lds "apostle" Dallin Oaks' comments in the Liahona mag...
men are that they might have joy — not guilt trips!
BTW, this sounds like a catchy one-liner...except that it misses the context rather badly! 'Cause the initial part of this phrase in 2 Nephi 2:25 is that "Adam fell that men might be" -- might be what?
Smith uses an intransitive verb in v. 25! He doesn't finish the sentence & then goes on to another thought.
Well, allow me to finish it for him: what isn't conveyed in Smith's small mind was that Adam fell that men might be Sinners!!!!
Rebels!!!
Slaves to sin!!!
Darkened in their hearts!!! and hard-hearted!!!
Enemies of God!!!
Don't you think, Elder Nelson, that men should have had "guilt trips" over sin, over rebellion, or being at enmity with God? No???