Posted on 05/25/2010 10:19:08 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman
There are teams of scientists who’ve been working on such for years.
One such team even has flight capabilities to get on-site ASAP. And, they’ve been coming up with some interesting stuff. I forget their titles and websites. Not a screaming priority of mine. Good stuff surfaces sooner or later regardless of the sources.
I saw a presentation by that group a couple of years or so ago at the Aztec Symposium. It was a well done presentation. I don’t recall a great deal new in their info—more an iterative qualitative increase in the typical info.
One such team even has flight capabilities to get on-site ASAP. And, they’ve been coming up with some interesting stuff. I forget their titles and websites. Not a screaming priority of mine. Good stuff surfaces sooner or later regardless of the sources.
Yeah, thousands of quality witnesses have SOMETHING worth noting at this point.
Here’s an interesting forensic type analysis of Betty Hill’s dress.
I corresponded with the blackvault originator when he was 16, IIRC . . . and just founding the thing. Quite a guy.
link to the pdf file of the analysis:
excerpts from the first link:
Phyllis Budinger’s Post Analysis Notes
Publications relating to this report:
Stanton T. Friedman and Kathleen Marden, “Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience”, New Page Books, Franklin Lakes, NJ, 2007.
Dwight Connelly, “The World’s Best UFO Cases”, Bookseller, Inc., Martinsville, IL, 2004.
Phyllis A. Budinger, “MUFON UFO Journal”, Number 429, January 2004.
Phyllis A. Budinger, UFOs – A Search for Physical Evidence: Abductions, “36th Annual International UFO Proceedings”, Presentation: July 24, 2005,
Additional Information
The swaths were sent for DNA analysis to another lab by Frontier Analysis, and the results were received a year after the dress Analysis (TSR no.: UT025) was published.
TSR No. UT025 identified a lining stain as protein, and noted it to be different than the protein on the outer dress surface (mold) in the report.
DNA specifically identified this protein as spider blood.
The DNA report follows with all the other details.
Analysis of Dress for DNA: Final Report 08/12/04
Speculations
Betty told me there was a “most unpleasant”, unidentifiable odor on the craft. I offer a speculation that this odor could have emanated from the craft occupants and could be a result of natural body elimination of oils/respiratory agents.
These transferred to the dress on contact. The pink areas are most profound around the top of the dress, especially around the sleeve where the occupants had gripped Betty as they escorted her to and from the craft. The pink on the dress skirt is easily explainable, because contact was made with Betty’s “escorts” when she kicked them as she was forcefully taken over the threshold of the craft.
The “escort” on the right may have taken the brunt of her attack, because this is where the lining is ripped. Also, it is noted that the right sleeve is totally permeated with the material, which may indicate a tighter grip on her was necessary.
It is also possible some material transferred from the top of the dress to the skirt when Betty folded the dress after returning home. The moist, damp biological components found on the dress were probably also on Betty’s skin, causing her to feel clammy and dirty.
I do not think the original substance deposited on the dress directly caused the discoloration. Betty found the discoloration days later when she took the dress out of the closet. The substance on the dress was originally moist, so the moisture was not allowed to dissipate because the dress was folded. This moist substance, probably slightly acidic, served as a nutrient for a natural biological growth (bacteria, mold or mildew).
This grew. Days later the dress finally dried, and a pink powdery residue from the growth remained. It was this biological growth material that probably caused the discoloration and possibly interacted with the dress fiber. The dress interior and drier lining probably were minimally affected.
It would appear small remnants of the original materials remained, such as the soil bacteria. As previously mentioned, I find it likely that the soil bacteria found on the left sleeve got there when the dress was thrown on the craft floor. The event occurred in a rural area on a dirt road. Clearly dirt could have been tracked in by footwear worn by Betty and the craft occupants.
And finally we know at some point during the weekend Betty sat on at least three spiders (a nest perhaps). She sat at a picnic table several hours before the event to eat a hot dog. So it possibly could have happened there. If not, the probability increases that it happened during the event.
This was literally a new dress that was reduced to a rag as a result of a bizarre event. The chemical analysis supports the Betty’s account of the event. I found nothing that would contradict her story.
Your prayers are greatly appreciated...I know that. Yep...the bumps can be doozies for sure!
Paul, thought to be the largest contributor to the New Testament, is a fascinating man and his story and accounts after his personal encounter with the Lord, are absolutely fascinating and his warnings are direct and clear. Your study of him will be revealing.
Talk to you soon.
OW
You are a really nice old fart. I'd love to meet you one day. Maybe we can plan to meet at one of those UFO forum thingys or something.
THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS.
Would be fine with me.
Though it sounds like events are about to race ahead of such a prospect.
Heaven would be a better alternative.
Well Quix that comment surprises me since I would think if one seriously is inclined to get the hard evidence there really are aliens, and as you say there was a team formed to do just that which was not Gov. related,....I'd sure want to know what they are doing and going...
So if you are not that interested in them...then apparently there isn't currently a respected group ready to gather the hard evidence which might be at a site or sighting. Just as I stated....and it doesn't look like there ever will be for that matter. Just like those who claim abductions and go to ships...they never bring back any evidence from the ship...easy to claim the aliens wouldn't let them....the excuses are plentiful in all venues.
As for ‘Guy Malone” you referenced......well his history he states has been years in various occults and deeply so...from sorcery to physic power,reincarnation and eastern mystics and religion, transedental meditation/ astro projection,and as he states anything NEw AGE.....
I understand now he claims Christianity and a born again experience....however I have a serious problem with anyone who admires and references (former) Dr. Richard Boyan which Malone does as well as referencing his books.
Just so you know many UFO sites have banned him as well and UFOLOGIST Velel stated....”Boylan is a raving paranoid Lunatic.” ......Rightfully so he is one dangerous ego maniac. He was stripped of all his licenses and this went to the Cal. supreme court where he tried to make the case the charges were because of his ET beliefs....which they were not...instead he was clearly charged with 7 counts of gross negligence with his patients....ex...Nude massages in exchange for therapy....taking his patients home for extra “duty” if you will..... But worse of all is he is being watched for his obsession now with children....of which his licenses to practice were also revoked. Some suspect pedifilia will eventually show its colors in him.
He recently endorsed a book which encourages children to be friendly with ETS....which is like telling children to accept candy from strangers....as was mentioned by the Psycologists who called him into question. Additionally he was charged with instiling his own personal views into the minds of his patients while ignoring the problems they came to him for. The court ultimately stated he was indeed a danger to patients, adults and children and stripped him of all his licenses.
He has now become the Guru of a UFO NEW AGE cult....”starseeds” and claims his “crown” if you will over the community. The following sums that up:
.....”(Former)..Dr. Richard Boylans cult (Starseeds) is not your average UFO/alien cult. He suppresses free speech on his groups, heavily. He is politically active and encourages his followers to be as well. He borders on sedition and treason by some of the things he has written and said. The most disturbing thing is his “Starkids” program where he takes children who he believes to be starseeds and “trains” them in his ways.
The “Councellor of earth” as he claims himself to be, is most disturbing, especially where his members are claiming he is “Firstborn of the Source.” (God)..... That is a title given to Jesus alone”......(source..comment at abovetopsecret...and others followed this, as well other sites on internet)
So you see as long as Guy Malone references and uses this man as a source reference I cannot put allot into what he states...even if he covers it with the banner of Christianity...now he may be liget..but I think he would investigate his resources completely that he references that much.
Just not interested in that Quix...and I thought you weren’t interested in DNA.
Quix...you should not be supposing a diagnosis let alone a HIGH Probility, or one even remotely referencing so without first knowing the facts and age and such of the individual, or of his familys history. That’s just totally un- professional to say the least.
And you should also know that children can come from loving and very caring homes and still make bad decisions in their life. I do not hold to “let’s blame the parents” when adult children have been taught how to reason and make wise decisions. They are responsible for their good decsions as well as their bad ones.
So you are assuming more than you know to make any assessment of the family or the family member.
It could very well be simply a choice and an interest they had or have in a “fringe” element...which you of all should know to play on that edge can hook you when you least expect it too.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
You said....”the person involved (imho) has to be somewhat receptive and has a doubt about the belief. It is truly a spirtual warfare for his mind and this type of teaching/warning surfaces in Scripture over and over again”......
The fact the Lord warns us over and over about deceptions tells us clearly they can come from numerous directions and often unexpectedly....”seeking whom he may devour”...comes to mind....and generally when an individual is at a week point or going thru some difficulty which might not be known to those around them.
I read recently that when men are stressed they often go fishing etc. turn to something they enjoy that takes their minds off the issue so they can think it thru....if this person was researching things, and enjoyed that greatly.. lets say like gov.conspiracies, the 2012 hype, UFO’s and that which many of the NEWAGE cult incorporates into their practices could an individual at some point get hooked stepping close to the edge like that at a time when they are not exactly secure in their life in some way? Because these cults are using what attracts the “fringe” minded individual...so its like a a bait and switch.? Cunningly done no doubt as I have seen that on their sites. And they are especially interested in Christian based people because they use that also as a “cover”....
Treating “science” like it’s a belief system?..... Actually it’s not.... Science is about understanding how the world works.... You come up with an idea about why something is the way it is (theory),.... then you propose a way to test your theory to determine if it is “true” (experiment)..... It does not matter how elegant your theory is, it has to be proven to be true..... And not only that, other people who do the experiment should come up with experimentally accurate results..... That’s all there really is to it.
To say that there are areas in which science is “meant for” which in itself is a meaningless statement. Science is not meant for anything.... It’s simply a way to understand the world by developing theories that can be tested, either now or at some time in the future.
Some interesting thoughts from my e-mail....
....”Originally the mind was thought to be exempt from scientific study, yet we now have a much better understanding the mechanism by which are memories are stored in our brain. Freud did all of his study “about” the brain, yet now we now the electro-chemical mechanisms.
.... When someone loses their memorie, the person we knew is “gone”.
Quantum physics is most precisely tested theory (see Richard Feynmann’s QED lecture, one part of it is here):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDTcMD6pOw
It tells us that the world of subatomic particles involves “probability” and that, in reality, every outcome is possible, though the highest probably is most likely and directs the overall future..... So science is able to deal with “uncertainty”, “probabilty” and other non-specfic items......
It’s easy to say that religion and faith cannot be understood by science, as if science is “bad” and cannot be used to understand this aspect of man. That would similar to saying that science is not desigend to “study the mind & memory”,... yet the advances in science in the study of the mind and memory have enabled us save people from brain issues as well as the continuing loss of memory.... Science is not a religeon,... but rather a process to study all aspects of the world around us.
The following link is Richard Feynman talking about the “rational scientific method”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
I would expect that an item of clothing left undisturbed in a closet for forty years would pick up all manner of interesting biological substances from insects, spiders, mites, mold, bacteria, etc.
Wrong assumptions.
The team exists and are skilled in collecting forensic level evidence.
It’s not a screaming priority of mine because I don’t require that kind of proof.
I’m NOT ADDICTED TO
BEING HAMMERED BY THE HARSH END of a
SERIES OF TYPE II ERRORS.
I’ve been able for 47-50 years filter out folks I can mostly or totally trust from those I can’t very well or can’t at all trust in terms of their reporting on their experiences.
Of course, by God’s Grace, design and intense conditioning as well as a ton of intense professional education and training, I’m also an above average psychologist in such sensitivities. Conceivably such skills make such filtering less likely to result in my being hammered by either a TYPE I OR A TYPE II error.
Sooooooooo, the stuff the team had to report at the Aztec Symposium—though quite ground breaking in terms of the general populace—was boring, old hat stuff, to me. I’d already accepted most of the stuff they were proving as facts decades ago anyway. They were just proving it at a higher standard by a significant margin. I didn’t need that.
And, in terms of my educating those with ears to hear and eyes to see—who are sufficiently in touch with Holy Spirit for His verification of various things—I don’t need to trot out proof WELL BEYOND what would normally convict a murderer in court anyway.
It’s mostly only the dyed-in-the-wool very stubborn skeptics and some religionists who are determined to wait until a UFO lands in their laps and castrates or probes them before they believe.
I may play off such folks for the education of those less addicted to typically TYPE II ERRORS. However, I don’t need to waste a LOT of time on it nor lose a lot of sleep over such exchanges.
I may try and go to the Aztec Symposium website and see if I can retrieve the group’s name and website and post it. Kind of depends on what else I end up focusing on tonight after I respond to the other posts and emails.
I don’t think much of Boylan either. And, Guy, likely doesn’t go beyond UFO stuff also affirmed by others. It may be that Guy hasn’t researched Boylan’s reputation sufficiently. He hardly has time to respond to his emails. I think at one point, he told me he had 600 emails he had yet to get to.
I still know Guy to be a great guy and a very authentic Christian. He’s the only one I know who puts out his stuff at whatever donation folks offer. That’s included 50 cents when postage and handling took far more than that.
Not only that, but mine shrunk to a really small size! My army uniforms were affected the most! ;-D
Your posts are very well thought out and nicely expressed. It is a pleasure to follow your trail.
I’ve paid more than $200 for my own DNA ancestral analysis a la the National Geographic program. I have an interest in it.
I’m not interested that much in the “junk DNA” issue as you were presenting it as the science has moved on from what you were asserting and it’s just not a fascination of mine.
As I was taught in my ethics class--the highest ethic is WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE PERSON ONE IS HELPING.
To me, it would have been irresponsible and unethical to have AVOIDED sharing what I did.
I've heard the noise about
"THEY WERE SUCH WONDERFUL PARENTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I guess the kid just got in with the wrong crowd."
or
"Wellll, he/she was adopted you know. Obviously bad seed. Those parents were perfect."
NONSENSE.
THAT MAKES GOD AND HIS BIBLE OUT TO BE A LIAR.
GOD EMPHATICALLY DECLARES THAT WHEN A CHILD IS REARED IN THE BIBLICAL PRIORITIES & FASHION TAILORED TO THAT CHILD'S PERSONALITY AND MAKEUP, THE CHILD WILL NOT DEPART FROM THOSE WAYS WHEN HE IS OLDER.
THAT'S SOMETHING ANY PARENT CAN TAKE TO THE BAK.
IN 63 years of watching intensely families; counseling 100's of people individually and in families and probably thousands in groups and classes . . .
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT SCRIPTURE UNTRUE.
Sure, my pastors and PhD program instructors always through out that--"Welllll sometimes, it doesn't matter how good the parents are, the kid will still twist off and go crazy."
NOPE. DOESN'T HAPPEN. I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT HAPPEN.
Sure there have been maybe a dozen or 3 dozen cases purported to be that way. Within 2-5 questions, I'd found out where the rot was in the parenting.
THE BIBLE IS ENTIRELY 100% ACCURATE. NEVER HAVE I SEEN AN EXCEPTION. NOT THE LEAST BIT OF ONE.
I've ALWAYS been able to find the root of the child's problem in the nature and quality of the relationship the parents had with the child--one or both parents--typically the father, but not always.
In this case, I've encouraged Outlaw Woman to go to the net and find the better summary documents on ATTACHMENT DISORDER as well as those about CO-DEPENDENCY. She should be able to see right away whether those documents have anything to say to her loved one, or not. I stand by that suggestion. It's part of DOING UNTO OTHERS as I'd have done unto me were the roles switched.
And I challenge anyone else to do any better in such regards.
No, I don't believe it's simply a choice they made in some extremely rare wild hair moment.
Such choices do not spring out of thin air or vacuums.
No, I have not made an unwarranted assessment or piled on unwarranted assumptions. ATTACHMENT DISORDER is epidemic in proportions in our culture.
This issue was discussed between another FREEPER mental health professional and I on a thread once. He at one point had assessed what the literature tends to assert--that RAD is about 20% in the general population. I said I thought it was more like 80% regardless of what the research showed. By the time we finished defining our terms, he agreed with me.
It depends on degree of the attachment disorder. Probably easily 80% or more suffer some degree of attachment disorder. And with sensitive kids because of their particular personalities and sensibilities, even a marginal amount in terms of severity of ATTACHMENT DISORDER can be quite enough to push them over any number of troublesome lines.
Given that you've called me unprofessional, I hope Outlaw Woman returns either to FREEPMAIL US or on the thread and tells us all how off the wall my suggested possibilities/probabilities were.
I know one thing for sure . . . were I in Outlaw Woman's place on such a situation, I'd have been delighted if some crazy bloke of my sort would have given me his opinion from his experience and training. It's not as though someone's forcing anything down anyone's throat and REQUIRING THEM AT GUNPOINT to act on it.
SHEESH.
However, I'm pinging Joya. She's been on the receiving end of my crazy personality and 'intrusiveness' online and then in person observed me flinging myself into other folks lives at restaurants and a host of venues. Maybe she'll agree with you.
I'm also pinging my personal ping list of FREEPERS I use as an oversight/feedback/prayer support group. And, some others who've seen me give significant psychological analysis from photographs and a minimum of screening questions answered. They may or may not wish to comment. They are free to do so in any way they wish.
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