Posted on 05/08/2010 5:58:47 PM PDT by Irisshlass
Have you ever seen the artistic depiction of this? I believe it is on one of the Fatima links I posted.
Salvation, I said apply the Scripture test. I didn’t say what that test is. The fact you would shove it aside without a definition says a lot.
The apostle John puts it this way:
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
God’s Word is inspired by Him and will not contradict Him for He will not contradict Himself. So too - anything extra biblical will not contradict Him either. Test it by the Word of God. If it contradicts toss it. Satan is a deceiver. Be not deceived.
Ping for later.
I think I might be able to take a guess at why the second part of the secret was not revealed after the date of 1960, which was the year it was supposed to be revealed. It was a warning of punishment coming on the church and the world should the church stray from Jesus. The Pope in l960 refused to read the message. That timing would have happened two or three years prior to Vatican II and probably would have derailed Vatican II as we have known it.
As a teen I remember every previously repressed voice asserting itself; advocating for abortion, sex outside of marriage, divorce, feminist hatred of men and families, communism and even disrespect for or disbelief in Jesus. I was so broken hearted by all of this and although it lessened my attachment to the church, it never touched my relationship and love for Jesus. Vatican II untied the opposite of Jesus within the church and in my opinion, it has run on a rampage ever since.
We see it now resulting in the church suffering scandal (massive child sex and physical abuse) as the visionary warned. We even have wackos whipping up a murderous ideal for the Pope and I have no doubt there are plenty in Europe who would like to murder the people in the Vatican - including the Pope.
Pope John Paul thought or wanted the public to think that the part of the secret he revealed - the murder of the Pope - had been stopped in the attempted murder of himself. But I don’t think that was it. The murder of the Pope will happen in during Revelation’s chaos.
>>> Is There a Missing Text of the Third Secret?.
Yes there is. I decoded it as “DRINK MORE OVALTINE”.
Makes sense.
You are right, what could be more horrific than the church devouring itself by unleashing the most destructive evil forces—in fact, even nurturing them, within it’s own body?
All the radical ideology and opportunistic political assaults you describe strike at the heart of that which is healthy, solid and sustainable in relationship to God and a functional and spiritually rich, cooperative society.
Yet these forces have not been beaten back, instead they are feeding at the foundation of the church’s very pillars of existence and these infestation has actually been cultivated by those WITHIN—the gates have been flung open to allow the the disease of moral pestilence to infect the host.
I am not Catholic, but a Methodist, however I recognize the essential and precious, irreplaceable value of what the Catholic Church represents symbolically and actively in the Christian world and the world at large.
We humans are imperfect, so our churches will carry imperfections reflected through us, but this is the inevitable reality, our perpetual struggle —our response should not be to slaughter our churches, but work harder to better ourselves—to be honest, to focus, not lose perspective—redeem ourselves and never lose course of the ever-enduring quest in the war of good and evil.
But instead we are allowing the flesh be torn from Christianity before our open eyes. Watching the ravenous tear at our sacred institutions, while we stand by, frozen, allowing media voices (shallow, idiotic and driven by vogue immoralism and delusional “progressivism”) intimidate us into silence while they destroy the fabric of our faith systems.
So yes, this is about as horrific a “secret” that could be..a self-devouring slow death to the most meaningful core of our open, demonstratble connection with Christ, The Church.
It must be said, our personal relationship with God is incorruptible by the hand of man, we are of God, we are God’s children, and there is comfort in this.
However, undoubtably, as the church falls, mankind will fall—turning away from God to a new God—Central Authority.
This in fact, is the virus identified, the killer organism that is calculated-—that is behind all of this.
Remove competition to Central Authority, and there is no greater competition that God in the lives of human beings...therefore it, along with the other core competitive threats, Family and Personal Freedom, must all be reduced or removed.
Faith, family and Freedom are what Barack Obama is neutralizing in his brave new world.
So perhaps the secret warned of this.
Nevertheless, the facts are indisputable. We must not falter, we must stand up to ridicule, to isolation, undauntingly courageous—never tire and ever vigilant.
An alternate deity, an alternate focus of worship and adoration, an alternate source of revelation, an alternate channel for accessing transcendent reality with our prayers -- and you don't smell a rat?
Perhaps, the issue at stake here is the authority of Rome. This is a loyalty test. Those who humble their necks beneath the yoke of the papacy prove the sincerity of their submission by embracing something they should know to be ridiculous.
I've studied cults for a few decades, now, and what I see in the cult of the BVM is demonic. Tarted up in religious verbiage and weasel words, but ultimately channeling human fealty away from God and towards one who desperately wants it -- and wants it badly enough to accept it while wearing a mask. Then, perhaps "at the hour of our death," when it's too late, the mask slips off ... and the Marian devotee falls into the embrace of that luminous angel, Lucifer.
Sister Lucia had already given an indication for interpreting the third part of the “secret” in a letter to the Holy Father, dated 12 May 1982:
“The third part of the secret refers to Our Lady’s words: ‘If not [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated’ (13-VII-1917).
The third part of the secret is a symbolic revelation, referring to this part of the Message, conditioned by whether we accept or not what the Message itself asks of us: ‘If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, etc.’.
Since we did not heed this appeal of the Message, we see that it has been fulfilled, Russia has invaded the world with her errors. And if we have not yet seen the complete fulfilment of the final part of this prophecy, we are going towards it little by little with great strides. If we do not reject the path of sin, hatred, revenge, injustice, violations of the rights of the human person, immorality and violence, etc.
And let us not say that it is God who is punishing us in this way; on the contrary it is people themselves who are preparing their own punishment. In his kindness God warns us and calls us to the right path, while respecting the freedom he has given us; hence people are responsible”.
http://www.ewtn.com/fatima/apparitions/Third_Secret/Fatima.htm
It relates to the spread of Communism - the ‘errors’ of Russia. The world breathed a sigh of relief when the Soviet Union collapsed. But now, we see it inside our house (USA). Obama is a harbinger of the cancer among us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LHRzxgAxRo&feature=player_embedded#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqPo5ofk0s
Seems pretty clear-cut to me. Muslim fanatics will one day attack the Vatican and there’ll be an awful bloody battle.
In 1917 this must have been hard to take literally, but these days it doesn’t feel “symbolic” at all.
Look at the Episcopal Church, if you “lived through” what has happened to it ... this is not so far fetched. FROM MY point of view, it destroyed itself and tried to take me down too. I left.
A CALL OF CHRISTIAN CONSCIENCE
Christians, when they have lived up to the highest ideals of their faith, have defended the weak and vulnerable and worked tirelessly to protect and strengthen vital institutions of civil society, beginning with the family. It was in this tradition that a group of prominent Christian clergy, ministry leaders, and scholars released the Manhattan Declaration on November 20, 2009 at a press conference in Washington, DC. The 4,700-word declaration speaks in defense of the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and religious liberty. It issues a clarion call to Christians to adhere firmly to their convictions in these three areas.
http://manhattandeclaration.org/home.aspx
later
Thank-you for all the links.
Sr. Lucia said there is no missing text?
Fatima has already been tested.
If you had studied Fatima...Fatima recalls mankind prophetically to the living of the Gospel.
Thank you for your interesting post, especially the last paragraph. Your sentiments are by no means unusual, as I am sure you know. They are an excellent example of anti-Catholic bigotry.
I think so too.
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