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To: Ken4TA
the ministry I got into was not one directed at denouncing the RCC or its members. It was directed at teaching what the Bible has to say on a whole bunch of various topics.

Why do you suppose very humble Saints throughout history disagree with what you think the Bible says?..

Do you think you think God reveals things to you that were not revealed to Saint Irenaues,Augustine,Aquinas, Pio etc...?Do you believe God gave you intellectual gifts above these people. I'm not seeing this at all

Nothing I said about the teachings of Catholicism was wrong

I disagree with you.Why should anyone believe you?There is nothing much different about you than anyone else that opposes some Church teachings?

I once approached the Archbishop's office and presented him with a list of things I found that didn't jive with the Scriptures, and he never rejected any of them, which surprised me and my friend who went with me.

What's to stop any nut from presenting a list to any Archbishop? It probably happens often from radicals who think they are some special modern prophet who usually misunderstands the scriptures

Did you have an appointment,because it sounds like you just approached the Archbishop without asking?


2,448 posted on 05/09/2010 7:24:16 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi; Ken4TA
Do you think you think God reveals things to you that were not revealed to Saint Irenaues,Augustine,Aquinas, Pio etc...?Do you believe God gave you intellectual gifts above these people. I'm not seeing this at all

Spiritual discernment and understanding is not about intellectual ability. You can be the most brilliant mind on the earth and an atheist or agnostic.

2,462 posted on 05/09/2010 7:54:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: stfassisi
Why do you suppose very humble Saints throughout history disagree with what you think the Bible says?..

They don't disagree with me at all, they had no idea of what I would write or say! I wasn't living in their times :-)

Many of them were not really "humble" at all. That I disagree with some of what they say should not surprise anyone...they were promoting and expounding upon traditions that cannot be traced back to the Christ Jesus and His Apostles. The flowerly words that they used and the insistance they pushed are not "humble" in any sense of the word - worldly humitity is a cover-up.

Do you think you think God reveals things to you that were not revealed to Saint Irenaues,Augustine,Aquinas, Pio etc...?Do you believe God gave you intellectual gifts above these people. I'm not seeing this at all

I'm not in the habit of judging the intelligence of anyone; I leave that to God. As to how those individuals used their intelligence is something else; one can test the spirit by which they speak and write to see if it is conformity with what the Holy Spirit inspired men who wrote the Gospels and Letters of the Bible - if their works don't, then I question the way they used their intelligence. The spirit uses ones gifts regardless of their intelligence to bring forth the truth, and that should be tested by the standard God has revealed in the Scriptures. So, no, I don't believe God has given me any more intelligence than anyone else - we work with what we were gifted with, be it intelligence, insight, language, perseptiveness, or whatever.

ME: "Nothing I said about the teachings of Catholicism was wrong..."

I disagree with you.Why should anyone believe you?There is nothing much different about you than anyone else that opposes some Church teachings?

That' your choice. I don't aske anyone to "believe" me in anything - I just present what I have found out and let the hearer or reader decide; some decide con, some pro. As for opposing some RCC teachings, well, in testing them I find them way out of conformity with what God has revealed in the Scriptures. BTW, what you quoted from me above is deceiving - you left out the context I was mentioning, which was the teachings on indulgences and purgatory by the RCC: That's sort of important, right?!

Me: "I once approached the Archbishop's office and presented him with a list of things I found that didn't jive with the Scriptures, and he never rejected any of them, which surprised me and my friend who went with me."

What's to stop any nut from presenting a list to any Archbishop? It probably happens often from radicals who think they are some special modern prophet who usually misunderstands the scriptures
Did you have an appointment,because it sounds like you just approached the Archbishop without asking?

Mike, a friend of mine, and I called the Archbishops office and set up an appointment, but Archbishop Roach wasn't available as he was out of town, but the adjunct bishop said he like to hear what we have found wrong with the teaching of the church (we mentioned the topic we would like to get his views on). We visited with him for over two hours a couple of days later! A week after we met with him we received a letter...which I've given part of in some other post. Again, you don't have to believe me :-)

Mike and I were well-prepared for the meeting. We presented a 30 page long document outlining the teachings we found to be unscriptural and why we did so. At the time it was well-accepted by the bishop. But I do have to say I don't know if he passed it on to the Archbisop or not; nor if he saved the document in a file or not. That was in the late 70's and I started a publication directed at informing Catholics of these false teaching which was continued from 1980-1982. Did some Catholics accept them? YES! Did some reject them? Again, YES, which we expected. In fact, many Catholics attended the Home Bible Study groups we started. They seemed to be skeptical at first, but as the Scriptures were studied many changed their minds. Praise God through whom all glory flows!

2,522 posted on 05/10/2010 6:59:27 AM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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